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Ok I am officially ending the game, sorry that there will be no Grand Finale. None of the Triumvirs except Sertorius wanted civil war. However, the other two guys got absurdly angry at me. One has even blocked me, and imo has begun to take this game way too personally. I don't want to lose friends over a forum game, this is literally the only reason why I am now stopping. Also, a good lesson as to why you keep IC and OOC separate. ....Although in a way I see it as a success I got people to be this emotionally invested in a forum game

gg all, let us now remember the great legends of the roman families

Triumvir Families - these 3 have reached the apex of power, although shared
Gens Sertorii
The Sertorii are an old and powerful family that has been influential in politics and later on in war against the Numidians, Parthians and were regarded as superior naval commanders. They have had 6 consulships, numerous prosecutions, and were always a controlling force behind the populares movement. In the late republic Flavius became the most influential, and arguably strongest of the 3 triumvirs as ruler of the west.

Gens Maria
The Marians are a very old family that was highly regarded for their religious positions. Over the course of roman history they have held a stunning 7 consulships and 1 dictatorship. Much of marian history has been military oriented, known for defeating the Seleucids at Magnesia in early times. In the mid republic they were leaders of the populare movement but were assassinated when political tensions rose, temporarily weakening the family allowing the Sertorii to take control of the party. Later, the ambitious Gaius Marius Maximus became the youngest ever dictator defeating the Socii revolt, and after defeating the massive pontic forces in Greece declared the revolt against the corrupt senate with the aid of Sertori and and Rexians. After Quintus Sertorius died however the rivalry between his son Flavius and Gaius Marius Maximus became more pronounced as they were the two ambitious leaders of the populares and resented each other.

Gens Rexii
The Rexii have consistently been a presence in roman politics, having held 6 consulships and countless other positions. The Rexii are regarded as extremely skilled politicians having risen from former disgrace to great influence and wealth as a founding member of the populares. The Rexii do have a reputation of being greedy, yet their wealth bought them power that can now no longer be denied as rulers of the eastern provinces.


Winning Families- these families picked the right side and successfully navigated the roman game of thrones to high positions of power

Gens Flavii
Of all the families in Rome, the Flavii are the most well regarded among wealthy equites. Long ago this was not the case, but following the downfall of the Numetorii, the Flavii inherited much of the wealth of the Ripam Alexandrie and begun their own steady rise to 2 consulships and numerous censorships and praetorships. Aligning with the populares the Flavii became the political centerpiece of the movement as they secured such influence among the equite class that their power in the senate became overwhelming. Ever after they were given the surname of Cato, meaning wise. And wise they have been, supporting the right side becoming rich and powerful.

Gens Nipii
The Nipii emerged from obscurity in the punic wars, being used as master of horse for less competent dictators. However, in the end they secured their own command becoming heroes of the republic after defeating Hannibal at Cannae. This fame was long lasting but in the mid republic their fortunes began to dwindle as legions loyal to the Nipii were destroyed in the numerous wars. A founding member of the populares, the Nipii have been loyal partisans and this has kept them from sinking lower. Decius began to reverse these fortunes as being part of the battle of Rome and then following Sertorius into the west becoming his heir. The Nipii may rise once again…

Gens Octavii
A wealthy and influential political family, the Octavii were strong allies of the sertorii, and they aided each other's rise. The Octavii had numerous connections throughout the city of Rome among the equites, and were commonly the Praetor, but also have secured Consulship twice in history as well as governorships in cisalpine gaul. The Octavii carefully maneuvered the dangerous political battlefield, never have been assassinated, always working from within the shadows to emerge on top.

Gens Marcii
The family history of the Marcii is a winding but tragic one as well. Over the course of history they have influential, holding 4 consulships and their most famous moment was commanding the sack of Carthage, however Africanus fell to a plague and was later utterly disgraced by being implicated in treasonous plot with the Antonines. Rising from this misfortune they switched parties to the Populares and became a decisive element in the civil war by granting support in return for rule over the Asian provinces. But once again, the head of the family died, this time in battle, reducing the family to mediocrity.

Gens Paulli
The Paulli are a notoriously wealthy but also greedy roman family. They rose to power after falling out with Potestatem party by making deals with the Populares to rule wealthy provinces as long as they turned a blind eye to their corruption. Amassing huge sums, the Paulli were never in Rome for most of their history. But this is not to say they are without merit, for they helped bring roman civilization to cisalpine gaul, and were large bankrollers of the populare movement. In the civil war they grew more ambitious seeking military commands as admirals and growing closer to the Sertorian faction.

At least I am still part of the wealthy 1% Tier
Gens Numetorii
A once more powerful family in the early republic and leader of the notable third party, ripam alexandrie, the untimely death of the head of the family ended this movement. Later on, the Numetorii aligned themselves with Potestatem, but their high status was degraded by being on the losing side of the civil war. The Numetorii have held 4 Consulships, numerous other political positions and were known as saviors of Rome from the Germans and victors against the notorious Viriathus in their brightest moment.

Gens Caetronii
The Caetronii have always been defenders of the roman state, military leaders, above political factionalism. Over the course of history they have held 5 consulships and 1 dictatorship. The Caetronii were known as victors over gauls in early times, but were most influential in the mid republic reaching an apex under Lucius who defeated the Spanish revolts as well as the pirates, guiding Rome through a turbulent political time as a neutral player. In the late republic their fortunes fell as Lucius grew old and his heirs could not defend the republic from the populares. Even so, the Caetronii are a continuing strong presence in the roman state.


At least I am not dead Tier
Gens Cornelli Scipiones
An old and active family, their fortunes rose to supreme heights in the early republic as conquers of Illyria and climaxed with their 1 consulship. Later though they were politically destroyed by the Populares and then fell into obscurity, and when Gnaeus began to rise he was struck down by plague. In the late republic Metellus was known as the most stalwart defender of the senate and fought until the last at Africa.

Gens Varii
From plebian origins, the Varii rose from the lower classes to the senate with the support of the Potestatem party (by giving them huge sums of money). The Varii reached their apex in a consulship with the Numetorii, after defeating a huge german horde in pannonia. After this moment of glory they began to fade as their wealth dried up and the Potestatem lost political power. After the battle of rome they surrendered to the populares but despite this were still executed due to hatred against them from the Marians. Even so, the Varii have not been utterly destroyed as the family still lives on as their recent son has been spared by the now more merciful populare senate due to the passage of time.

Gens Pedii
Plebians like the Varii, the Pedii rose to political relevance in a dangerous political era. With civil war imminent, they were thrust into hard decisions. A marriage alliance almost occurred with the Rexii potentially earning the favor of the populares but this ultimately broken down and the Pedii backed the Senate to their ultimate doom. Despite donating their entire fortune to the senatorial cause, this was not enough as the senatorial forces failed three times in battle. Escaping from the populare onslaught as governer of narbonese Gaul, the Pedii were finally captured after the Senatorial defeat in Africa and exiled.

Losers - families fallen from power, or traitors, or extinct
Gens Antonia, Gens Phoenicii, Gens Maximii , other people who have dropped out

17.09.2016 - 01:45
Γραμμένο από Pheonixking929, 16.09.2016 at 22:12

"My fellow Senator, the charges brought against me are a farce. This is the message I received from the faction attempting to subvert power from the will of the people:




While I was out of Rome defeating Carthage (a task their own faction could not do), murderous felons committed an act of barbery by assassinating a fellow senator. I do not know who did such an act, nor will I accuse someone of it. As you can see in the message, they do not want the killer, only a scapegoat. This is not about seeking justice, but rather subverting the rule of law and order. With another senator murdered do to these tenacious rumours, rebel armies a narrow sea away, and barbarians at our gates, should we really be wasting time prosecuting an innocent individual for a crime he did not commit? I can only think of the great Greek Philosopher Socrates, forced to kill himself by a farce trial such as this. Are we not better than this? Are we not Romans?"

But even if you yourself didn't do it, you do know who committed it. Thus by association, compliance, and failure to report a crime to the proper authorities, (can probably throw in some 'willing assistance provided to a criminal' charges in there too), you are equally guilty.

Also, I am disgusted that you would even think of associating yourself with a Greek. Evidently you admire those barbarians, and I advise you to exile yourself there
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17.09.2016 - 02:03
Dictator Vote
1) Lucius Caetronianus (MrArmy987)

Consul Vote
1) Gnaeus Cornelius Scipio (Zephyrusu) & Cassius Caelius (Safari)

Censor Vote
1)Augustus Damasippus (Resting Lime)

Praetor Vote
2)Galerius Nipius ( Death1816)

Pontifex Maximus
1)Sextus Varius (Meester)

Who will command the our legions against the Germanic Migrations?
2)Marco Flavius Cato Minor (Witch-Doctor) [Populares]

Who will command the the Civil War?
3)Cassius Caelius (Safari) [Potestatem]

Who will command the the Jugurthine War?
2)Augustus Damasippus (Resting Lime) [Potestatem]

Levying Forces
1)13 legions 2 fleets

Force Deployments
1)+Spanish Revolts: Legio X Fulminata, Legio VII Aquila, Legio II Lupus, 2 legions , 2 fleets
+Jugurthine War Legio III Victrix, 4 Legions, 2 fleets
+Germanic Migrations: Legio I Ex Nihilo, 1 legion
+Civil War: 5 fleets, 2 legions
+All new fleets will be sent to civil war
+All new legions will be split equally between the wars, with uneven splits in favor of civil war and jugurthine war

Trial of Gaius Marcus Africanus
1) Innocent

Mining Concession (3 Talents) - winner may reject and it will return to next years consul
Augustus Damasippus (Resting Lime)
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17.09.2016 - 03:34
Dictator: 1
Consul: 2
Censor: 1
Praetor: 2
Pointifex Maximus: 2
Civil War: 1
Jurgunthine: 2
Levying: 3
Force Deployment: 1
Trial: 1
Mining: Augustus Damasippus
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17.09.2016 - 03:48
Γραμμένο από Darth., 17.09.2016 at 01:45

Γραμμένο από Pheonixking929, 16.09.2016 at 22:12

"My fellow Senator, the charges brought against me are a farce. This is the message I received from the faction attempting to subvert power from the will of the people:




While I was out of Rome defeating Carthage (a task their own faction could not do), murderous felons committed an act of barbery by assassinating a fellow senator. I do not know who did such an act, nor will I accuse someone of it. As you can see in the message, they do not want the killer, only a scapegoat. This is not about seeking justice, but rather subverting the rule of law and order. With another senator murdered do to these tenacious rumours, rebel armies a narrow sea away, and barbarians at our gates, should we really be wasting time prosecuting an innocent individual for a crime he did not commit? I can only think of the great Greek Philosopher Socrates, forced to kill himself by a farce trial such as this. Are we not better than this? Are we not Romans?"

But even if you yourself didn't do it, you do know who committed it. Thus by association, compliance, and failure to report a crime to the proper authorities, (can probably throw in some 'willing assistance provided to a criminal' charges in there too), you are equally guilty.

Also, I am disgusted that you would even think of associating yourself with a Greek. Evidently you admire those barbarians, and I advise you to exile yourself there

Once again, your side has offered zero evidence that I had any complicity in the crime. You seem to forget I was killing barbs (because of your factions inability to do so) while this conspiracy occurred
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17.09.2016 - 03:53
Just as the morning sun rises and breakfast is delivered, guards stumble upon the discovery that the great Africanus is missing. It appears he was able to dislodge stones around the toilet and has snuck out through the sewers. The city has entered into lockdown with the town guard quickly shutting down all exits and cavalry units being sent out in all directions to apprehend the man. But with a night;s head start ahead of the liars who wish to kill him, it appears Africanus has escaped into exile.
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17.09.2016 - 04:06
Γραμμένο από Pheonixking929, 17.09.2016 at 03:53

Just as the morning sun rises and breakfast is delivered, guards stumble upon the discovery that the great Africanus is missing. It appears he was able to dislodge stones around the toilet and has snuck out through the sewers. The city has entered into lockdown with the town guard quickly shutting down all exits and cavalry units being sent out in all directions to apprehend the man. But with a night;s head start ahead of the liars who wish to kill him, it appears Africanus has escaped into exile.


Why would you leave into exile?

The vote is going in your favour..
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17.09.2016 - 04:15
Γραμμένο από Darth., 17.09.2016 at 01:45

Also, I am disgusted that you would even think of associating yourself with a Greek. Evidently you admire those barbarians, and I advise you to exile yourself there

Senator Rex, those words are only of the ignorant and the fool. The Greeks have been the peak of the civilised world for a thousand years, their great conquests being undoubtful proof of their military prowess, and their culture, arts and philosophy shining above all others. Truly, Rome can hardly be called Rome when the Greeks' influence is taken into account, for even our gods were taught to us by them.
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17.09.2016 - 08:34
Γραμμένο από Zephyrusu, 17.09.2016 at 04:15

Γραμμένο από Darth., 17.09.2016 at 01:45

Also, I am disgusted that you would even think of associating yourself with a Greek. Evidently you admire those barbarians, and I advise you to exile yourself there

Senator Rex, those words are only of the ignorant and the fool. The Greeks have been the peak of the civilised world for a thousand years, their great conquests being undoubtful proof of their military prowess, and their culture, arts and philosophy shining above all others. Truly, Rome can hardly be called Rome when the Greeks' influence is taken into account, for even our gods were taught to us by them.

Actually true Greek influence came over Rome after the conquest of Greece...In this game that was like one turn ago. Roman gods weren't exactly taught by the Greeks, a Greek from Troy fled the battle of Troy, found seven hills, founded the city that would later become Rome.
This doesn't mean they're civilized, just that they know how to flee battles like cowards.
There are a few exceptions like that which occurred at Thermopylae 200 years ago, but nevertheless, my point stands.

P.S: You're supposed to think like a Roman who's been told since birth, that they're better than everyone, not as an unbiased person with full knowledge of the facts given to us by history since there wasn't a very good flow of information back then.
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17.09.2016 - 09:14
Africanus stumbles into the central square, blood rolling down his cheek with a hand over his stomach where a stab mark still bleeds. As the crowd surrounds himself in shock, city guard units quickly push through to see the man collapse. As more guards are come in and the crowd becomes wilder, Africanus is siezed and forced into a carriage and quicjly driven off back to his cell while the town watch disburses the growing crowd. After he awakes, it is revealed that Africanus had been coereced and kidnapped but managed to escape and is now back waiting for the results of his trial









Or in reality, feo has awoken from a very late night with some activities that may or may not have caused his ability to count rendered useless and revokes what he stated previously........
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17.09.2016 - 09:19
Wow you can't even escape count properly
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17.09.2016 - 09:38
Γραμμένο από Darth., 17.09.2016 at 09:19

Wow you can't even escape count properly

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17.09.2016 - 11:36
==Turn 15: Phase 3 has begun==
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17.09.2016 - 14:28
The dictator has spoken, will begin rolling battles soon.
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17.09.2016 - 21:05
> 'soon'
> 6 hours later, not started
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17.09.2016 - 21:12
Γραμμένο από Darth., 17.09.2016 at 21:05

> 'soon'
> 6 hours later, not started


Look at rolls page
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17.09.2016 - 22:21
Now that I have been cleared of the ridiculous crimes brought against me, I hope the Senate and the dictator may consider appointing me as governor of Africa in order to defend the province my valiant soldiers died bringing into the fold of the Republic.
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17.09.2016 - 22:54
==Turn 16: Phase 1 has begun==
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17.09.2016 - 23:25
6 on equite
10 to Rome
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17.09.2016 - 23:29
37 to faction bank
3 on equite
Raise 3 auxiliaries
roll for personal income in greece
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17.09.2016 - 23:59
Γραμμένο από Jo Mama, 17.09.2016 at 23:57

>adds a card to stop tribune of the plebs as soon as enemy faction gets a tribune of the plebs card


>Murder of a tribune is a mid-republic card

>I and others already had tribunes
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18.09.2016 - 00:01
Γραμμένο από Jo Mama, 17.09.2016 at 23:57

>adds a card to stop tribune of the plebs as soon as enemy faction gets a tribune of the plebs card

Passive aggressive calling me a cheater or something? protip: thumbup doesn't make insults any less insulting. It had nothing to do with your getting a card, its just a good counter to tribune spam.
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18.09.2016 - 00:17
3 on Equite, appoints Valens Phoenicus (Phoenix) as priest

With the revolt crushed it is time we turn our eyes East towards the uncivilized Seleucid. This is no time for petty squabbles band together and restore the Roman Republic to it's glory. With war upon us I urge this republic to appoint me governor of Sicily, I shall succeed where other governors have failed.
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18.09.2016 - 00:20
6 on equite 7 on games

We also need people to stop dying, down to a measly 12 players
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18.09.2016 - 01:00
Γραμμένο από Pheonixking929, 17.09.2016 at 22:21

Now that I have been cleared of the ridiculous crimes brought against me, I hope the Senate and the dictator may consider appointing me as governor of Africa in order to defend the province my valiant soldiers died bringing into the fold of the Republic.

You dead bruh

Also, Phoenix says he's tired of game and won't join...joins anyways lel

Edit: I like Phoenix's new name: Valens... Seems inspired from Valen from Babylon5
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18.09.2016 - 01:08
3 on equite
I propose a Tier 1 landbill with the first person to reply being my cosponsor
When I retire this turn, I request the Consuls that I be allowed to govern the province of Sicily
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18.09.2016 - 01:10
Γραμμένο από Meester, 18.09.2016 at 00:17

3 on Equite, appoints Valens Phoenicus (Phoenix) as priest

With the revolt crushed it is time we turn our eyes East towards the uncivilized Seleucid. This is no time for petty squabbles band together and restore the Roman Republic to it's glory. With war upon us I urge this republic to appoint me governor of Sicily, I shall succeed where other governors have failed.

Governors actually have no right to deploy armies unless the Roman Legions fail, and fail badly. A province is good for taking a break from the squabbles of the Senate,and that's pretty much it
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18.09.2016 - 01:11
Γραμμένο από Darth., 18.09.2016 at 01:08

3 on equite
I propose a Tier 1 landbill with the first person to reply being my cosponsor
When I retire this turn, I request the Consuls that I be allowed to govern the province of Sicily


Quit it with the land bills, just host some games. Unless there is something I'm missing they just seem like a waste

Not request to be cosponsor
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18.09.2016 - 01:12
Γραμμένο από Jo Mama, 18.09.2016 at 00:05

And also if it is a mid-republic card why wasn't it added in at the beginning of the mid-republic? just a thought

It's added anytime during the mid-republic. These wars are a mid-republic cards. You want them all to come at us at the start?
Also a card got freed up since your faction murdered Pyrrhus. He had 3 Tribune vetoes, the Pontifex Maximus veto, and the Consuls veto...and you bastards killed him
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18.09.2016 - 01:14
Γραμμένο από MrArmy987, 18.09.2016 at 01:11

Γραμμένο από Darth., 18.09.2016 at 01:08

3 on equite
I propose a Tier 1 landbill with the first person to reply being my cosponsor
When I retire this turn, I request the Consuls that I be allowed to govern the province of Sicily


Quit it with the land bills, just host some games. Unless there is something I'm missing they just seem like a waste

Not request to be cosponsor

They lower unrest and a Tier 1 isn't a permanent reduction of talents. A one-time 20 Talent reduction which we can afford after all the war booty. I feel games is unfair since they require you to spend too much for very little gain.
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18.09.2016 - 01:14
Γραμμένο από Darth., 18.09.2016 at 01:10

Governors actually have no right to deploy armies unless the Roman Legions fail, and fail badly. A province is good for taking a break from the squabbles of the Senate,and that's pretty much it


I have no intention to deploy armies, my influence in the senate is essentially nothing right now. What the state needs however is the income from the province. With war nearby income is going to be essential. Sicily is richest province and a steady source of income.
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