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Ok I am officially ending the game, sorry that there will be no Grand Finale. None of the Triumvirs except Sertorius wanted civil war. However, the other two guys got absurdly angry at me. One has even blocked me, and imo has begun to take this game way too personally. I don't want to lose friends over a forum game, this is literally the only reason why I am now stopping. Also, a good lesson as to why you keep IC and OOC separate. ....Although in a way I see it as a success I got people to be this emotionally invested in a forum game

gg all, let us now remember the great legends of the roman families

Triumvir Families - these 3 have reached the apex of power, although shared
Gens Sertorii
The Sertorii are an old and powerful family that has been influential in politics and later on in war against the Numidians, Parthians and were regarded as superior naval commanders. They have had 6 consulships, numerous prosecutions, and were always a controlling force behind the populares movement. In the late republic Flavius became the most influential, and arguably strongest of the 3 triumvirs as ruler of the west.

Gens Maria
The Marians are a very old family that was highly regarded for their religious positions. Over the course of roman history they have held a stunning 7 consulships and 1 dictatorship. Much of marian history has been military oriented, known for defeating the Seleucids at Magnesia in early times. In the mid republic they were leaders of the populare movement but were assassinated when political tensions rose, temporarily weakening the family allowing the Sertorii to take control of the party. Later, the ambitious Gaius Marius Maximus became the youngest ever dictator defeating the Socii revolt, and after defeating the massive pontic forces in Greece declared the revolt against the corrupt senate with the aid of Sertori and and Rexians. After Quintus Sertorius died however the rivalry between his son Flavius and Gaius Marius Maximus became more pronounced as they were the two ambitious leaders of the populares and resented each other.

Gens Rexii
The Rexii have consistently been a presence in roman politics, having held 6 consulships and countless other positions. The Rexii are regarded as extremely skilled politicians having risen from former disgrace to great influence and wealth as a founding member of the populares. The Rexii do have a reputation of being greedy, yet their wealth bought them power that can now no longer be denied as rulers of the eastern provinces.


Winning Families- these families picked the right side and successfully navigated the roman game of thrones to high positions of power

Gens Flavii
Of all the families in Rome, the Flavii are the most well regarded among wealthy equites. Long ago this was not the case, but following the downfall of the Numetorii, the Flavii inherited much of the wealth of the Ripam Alexandrie and begun their own steady rise to 2 consulships and numerous censorships and praetorships. Aligning with the populares the Flavii became the political centerpiece of the movement as they secured such influence among the equite class that their power in the senate became overwhelming. Ever after they were given the surname of Cato, meaning wise. And wise they have been, supporting the right side becoming rich and powerful.

Gens Nipii
The Nipii emerged from obscurity in the punic wars, being used as master of horse for less competent dictators. However, in the end they secured their own command becoming heroes of the republic after defeating Hannibal at Cannae. This fame was long lasting but in the mid republic their fortunes began to dwindle as legions loyal to the Nipii were destroyed in the numerous wars. A founding member of the populares, the Nipii have been loyal partisans and this has kept them from sinking lower. Decius began to reverse these fortunes as being part of the battle of Rome and then following Sertorius into the west becoming his heir. The Nipii may rise once again…

Gens Octavii
A wealthy and influential political family, the Octavii were strong allies of the sertorii, and they aided each other's rise. The Octavii had numerous connections throughout the city of Rome among the equites, and were commonly the Praetor, but also have secured Consulship twice in history as well as governorships in cisalpine gaul. The Octavii carefully maneuvered the dangerous political battlefield, never have been assassinated, always working from within the shadows to emerge on top.

Gens Marcii
The family history of the Marcii is a winding but tragic one as well. Over the course of history they have influential, holding 4 consulships and their most famous moment was commanding the sack of Carthage, however Africanus fell to a plague and was later utterly disgraced by being implicated in treasonous plot with the Antonines. Rising from this misfortune they switched parties to the Populares and became a decisive element in the civil war by granting support in return for rule over the Asian provinces. But once again, the head of the family died, this time in battle, reducing the family to mediocrity.

Gens Paulli
The Paulli are a notoriously wealthy but also greedy roman family. They rose to power after falling out with Potestatem party by making deals with the Populares to rule wealthy provinces as long as they turned a blind eye to their corruption. Amassing huge sums, the Paulli were never in Rome for most of their history. But this is not to say they are without merit, for they helped bring roman civilization to cisalpine gaul, and were large bankrollers of the populare movement. In the civil war they grew more ambitious seeking military commands as admirals and growing closer to the Sertorian faction.

At least I am still part of the wealthy 1% Tier
Gens Numetorii
A once more powerful family in the early republic and leader of the notable third party, ripam alexandrie, the untimely death of the head of the family ended this movement. Later on, the Numetorii aligned themselves with Potestatem, but their high status was degraded by being on the losing side of the civil war. The Numetorii have held 4 Consulships, numerous other political positions and were known as saviors of Rome from the Germans and victors against the notorious Viriathus in their brightest moment.

Gens Caetronii
The Caetronii have always been defenders of the roman state, military leaders, above political factionalism. Over the course of history they have held 5 consulships and 1 dictatorship. The Caetronii were known as victors over gauls in early times, but were most influential in the mid republic reaching an apex under Lucius who defeated the Spanish revolts as well as the pirates, guiding Rome through a turbulent political time as a neutral player. In the late republic their fortunes fell as Lucius grew old and his heirs could not defend the republic from the populares. Even so, the Caetronii are a continuing strong presence in the roman state.


At least I am not dead Tier
Gens Cornelli Scipiones
An old and active family, their fortunes rose to supreme heights in the early republic as conquers of Illyria and climaxed with their 1 consulship. Later though they were politically destroyed by the Populares and then fell into obscurity, and when Gnaeus began to rise he was struck down by plague. In the late republic Metellus was known as the most stalwart defender of the senate and fought until the last at Africa.

Gens Varii
From plebian origins, the Varii rose from the lower classes to the senate with the support of the Potestatem party (by giving them huge sums of money). The Varii reached their apex in a consulship with the Numetorii, after defeating a huge german horde in pannonia. After this moment of glory they began to fade as their wealth dried up and the Potestatem lost political power. After the battle of rome they surrendered to the populares but despite this were still executed due to hatred against them from the Marians. Even so, the Varii have not been utterly destroyed as the family still lives on as their recent son has been spared by the now more merciful populare senate due to the passage of time.

Gens Pedii
Plebians like the Varii, the Pedii rose to political relevance in a dangerous political era. With civil war imminent, they were thrust into hard decisions. A marriage alliance almost occurred with the Rexii potentially earning the favor of the populares but this ultimately broken down and the Pedii backed the Senate to their ultimate doom. Despite donating their entire fortune to the senatorial cause, this was not enough as the senatorial forces failed three times in battle. Escaping from the populare onslaught as governer of narbonese Gaul, the Pedii were finally captured after the Senatorial defeat in Africa and exiled.

Losers - families fallen from power, or traitors, or extinct
Gens Antonia, Gens Phoenicii, Gens Maximii , other people who have dropped out

22.09.2016 - 01:05
3 on equite
4 to rome
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22.09.2016 - 01:35
Phoenix crying as usual

Roll for equite without money, I donate full personal treasury to Rome.

Come on guys donate as much as you can. Don't be like Phoenix just roll for equite without money, and donate it to Rome instead. We need to make more troops.
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22.09.2016 - 02:38
Γραμμένο από Darth., 22.09.2016 at 01:35

Phoenix crying as usual

Roll for equite without money, I donate full personal treasury to Rome.

Come on guys donate as much as you can. Don't be like Phoenix just roll for equite without money, and donate it to Rome instead. We need to make more troops.


If only we voted in commanders with a higher military skill than 2 maybe we wouldn't be suffering such heavy losses. Hopefully as consul you will make some sensible proposals for commanders of the upcoming wars.
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22.09.2016 - 02:39
 JF.
3 on Equite
5 to rome
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22.09.2016 - 02:41
3 on Equite, appoint Optimus Maximus to priest, hire 1 open bodyguard(any fund I don't have comes from the Potestatem bank).

Otherwise, I suggest the senate appoint me as commander for the war against the Cilician Pirates, unlike other commanders I'll return victorious provided I be supplied with the army to do so.
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22.09.2016 - 04:06
Γραμμένο από Meester, 22.09.2016 at 02:38

Γραμμένο από Darth., 22.09.2016 at 01:35

Phoenix crying as usual

Roll for equite without money, I donate full personal treasury to Rome.

Come on guys donate as much as you can. Don't be like Phoenix just roll for equite without money, and donate it to Rome instead. We need to make more troops.


If only we voted in commanders with a higher military skill than 2 maybe we wouldn't be suffering such heavy losses. Hopefully as consul you will make some sensible proposals for commanders of the upcoming wars.

We did. Apollo had 3 military skill. Everyone else has 2 (Zeph was dead then, so pyrrhus chose aetius)

Edit: You are Pontifex and you can't leave Rome. So you weren't appointed despite 3 military skill
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22.09.2016 - 04:23
Γραμμένο από Darth., 22.09.2016 at 04:06

Edit: You are Pontifex and you can't leave Rome. So you weren't appointed despite 3 military skill


I can leave Rome for wars/battles,after all I was appointed to slaughter some barbarians a few turns ago, I can't leave long term(like governorship). There were multiple choice, namely for the Syrian War, where we choose to send someone with 2 military skill rather than 3(bonus he choose a horrible formation). The only war I can't blame you for losing is the African revolt.

Instead of sending politicians to govern provinces(which let me remind you ALL politicians rejected) we sent them to fight wars, while the true military tacticians stayed home.

gG
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22.09.2016 - 05:31
Are you fucking kidding me just as I get my Legion back I lose it ffs
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22.09.2016 - 05:32
1 on Equite
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22.09.2016 - 06:00
Γραμμένο από Zephyrusu, 22.09.2016 at 05:31

Are you fucking kidding me just as I get my Legion back I lose it ffs

Wow that sucks
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22.09.2016 - 06:11
Γραμμένο από Darth., 22.09.2016 at 06:00

Γραμμένο από Zephyrusu, 22.09.2016 at 05:31

Are you fucking kidding me just as I get my Legion back I lose it ffs

Wow that sucks

Not to mention I died from plague right after I spent 15 Shekels on a secret boduguard -_-
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22.09.2016 - 07:01
 Witch-Doctor (Επόπτης)
Anybody interested in Acilian law?
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22.09.2016 - 07:18
Eh no. Passing that law allows Potestatem to introduce Servillian Law which if passed will repeal Acilian Law and allow Potestatem faction to add +1 to equite rolls for free.
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22.09.2016 - 08:20
Mr Army please donate your treasury. It's quite a bit. We need to build 5 legions guys and 1 fleet. Right now the treasury is about -5 (approx). Mr Army donates his 49 and we have 44, and others also donate 10 each, ones who have already cast their gites change it and donate everything. Because otherwise we'll be in negatives next turn too. We need to make some savings this turn for next turn.
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22.09.2016 - 08:51
3 on equite
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22.09.2016 - 08:58
Γραμμένο από Darth., 22.09.2016 at 08:20




Fine Pavle
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22.09.2016 - 10:12
1 on Equite
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"Another such victory and I come back to Epirus alone" - Pyrrhus of Epirus
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22.09.2016 - 11:15
Γραμμένο από Meester, 22.09.2016 at 08:58

Γραμμένο από Darth., 22.09.2016 at 08:20




Fine Pavle

Pavle would donate... Except you banned him. Also, we can't fine him until next turn if we start proceedings now.
FOR FUCKS SAKE DO YOU PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTAND?? ROME WILL COLLAPSE NEXT TURN IF TREASURY IS NEGATIVE. PLEASE DONATE YOU SHEKELS
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22.09.2016 - 11:18
Γραμμένο από Meester, 22.09.2016 at 08:58



Pavle is in sicily, no consuls are recalling him xD. He can't be tried or fined until brought back to rome

I donate 8 talents to treasury,
1 on equite
9 talents to populare bank


Also I received this from (some account who will not be named), these are pavle orders

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12 on Equite, 5 to our bank and 7 to rome

6 to rome*


btw is google chrome leader of potestatem again
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22.09.2016 - 11:37
Alright you cheapskates, I just forwarded a different, riskier attack plan because no one wants to fucking donate
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22.09.2016 - 11:55
Γραμμένο από Aetius, 22.09.2016 at 11:18

Γραμμένο από Meester, 22.09.2016 at 08:58



Pavle is in sicily, no consuls are recalling him xD. He can't be tried or fined until brought back to rome

I donate 8 talents to treasury,
1 on equite
9 talents to populare bank


Also I received this from (some account who will not be named), these are pavle orders

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12 on Equite, 5 to our bank and 7 to rome

6 to rome*


btw is google chrome leader of potestatem again


What is an evociti? And why wasn't this explained before? I don't see it in the rules
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22.09.2016 - 11:55
I donate 4
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22.09.2016 - 12:01
Γραμμένο από Phoenix, 22.09.2016 at 11:55


What is an evociti? And why wasn't this explained before? I don't see it in the rules


ctrl+f is your friend
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22.09.2016 - 12:41
Γραμμένο από Aetius, 22.09.2016 at 12:01

Γραμμένο από Phoenix, 22.09.2016 at 11:55


What is an evociti? And why wasn't this explained before? I don't see it in the rules


ctrl+f is your friend


That wasn't there when the game started....
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22.09.2016 - 12:48
Γραμμένο από Phoenix, 22.09.2016 at 12:41

Γραμμένο από Aetius, 22.09.2016 at 12:01

Γραμμένο από Phoenix, 22.09.2016 at 11:55


What is an evociti? And why wasn't this explained before? I don't see it in the rules


ctrl+f is your friend


That wasn't there when the game started....


Evocati were added with Military Reforms
24 talents to rome
3 on Equite

P.S. Read it earlier but was sleepy, this was first opportunity to read forum, reconsider risky plan if 3 more legions help
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22.09.2016 - 12:54
Also does my bonus work against Viriathus again
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22.09.2016 - 12:57
Γραμμένο από MrArmy987, 22.09.2016 at 12:54

Also does my bonus work against Viriathus again


It never worked against Viriathus, that was just the Hispanics, these are Celtiberians, good luck to whatever person wishes to command that hellhole
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22.09.2016 - 12:58
Γραμμένο από Pyrrhus, 22.09.2016 at 12:57

Γραμμένο από MrArmy987, 22.09.2016 at 12:54

Also does my bonus work against Viriathus again


It never worked against Viriathus, that was just the Hispanics, these are Celtiberians, good luck to whatever person wishes to command that hellhole


Well I know, (damn minor disasters) but I'm addressing the war as the one vs him
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22.09.2016 - 13:11
Γραμμένο από MrArmy987, 22.09.2016 at 12:58


Well I know, (damn minor disasters) but I'm addressing the war as the one vs him


Your bonus was only for the spanish revolt war specifically.
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22.09.2016 - 13:48
Alright, a big, big thank you to Mr Army and everyone who donated we have a minimum of +5 strength superiority in all battles and provided no disaster strikes, we'll win. Except Spain, which has always been a bloodbath I've put 20-21 strength to Spanish 13 strength. THIS IS PROVIDED YOU ELECT MY RECOMMENDED COMMANDERS!!

We need to elect the right guys regardless of preferences of faction or self. I wanted a command too, but I have to give Potestatem/Populares/Neutrals and the best choice might not always be your faction choice. And I've put token nominees in the other slots.

My advice, please follow. Working on a very limited budget here, building just 1 fleet and 2 Legion. (Could have done with none, but might have failed in Africa). This leaves Rome with just 10 Talents so remember to donate next turn.

Africa
Elect Zeph
Token Nominees: Safari and Darth Do not vote for these

Spain
JF or Pyrrhus, elect whoever you want, makes no difference really here.

Syria
Elect Death1816
Token nomination: Meester Do not vote for these

Pirates
Elect Mr Army
Token nominees: Aetius, Resting Lime Do not vote for these

Dictator nomination
Will be easier with dictator. JF and I agreed on Pyrrhus. If you don't believe, Aetius will provide proof with ss (I'm going to sleep)

Agree to raise 1 fleet and 2 legion

NOTE: You may notice the trend that recommended Commanders have highest military skill. Please for the love of the Gods and the sake of Rome, do not deviate from those recommendations.
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