USA > all = gg no re

Just to make things clear :



(Notice that the GDP can fluctuate from an institute to another, for example IMF has not the same method exactly - illustrations : some ppl take in count, in their GPD, prostitution, of the value of the public real estate, some other don't (france, for example, doesn't gather in its GDP calculation the value of his real estate patrimony). The difference is evaluated, by the economist, to 3% max / country.

GDP does'nt always mean everything. Government can not make right desicions or use their income effeciently while lobiests and big corps have so much influence over politicans. For example when Israel discovered Gas several years ago American corps (and possibly government) sent Bill Clinton to make sure they are getting part of it through auctions. Or how Gun and Insurance companies have sufficient Influence to change Americans laws and even write new ones. And additionally some of most of these countries in are so heavily burdened with debts they are just going to get it cut and do damage control for decades.

Damn
south korea > russia
india still a gdp shithole it seems

Γραμμένο από Ruse, 01.10.2018 at 11:45

Poor noob, the money belongs to the bankers not to the american people. you are all just worthless slaves in their eyes.

Stfu commie

Γραμμένο από Ruse, 01.10.2018 at 11:45

Poor noob, the money belongs to the bankers not to the american people. you are all just worthless slaves in their eyes.

ive heard the earth is 20 trillion dollars in debt.
to mars i think not sure

Γραμμένο από Ruse, 01.10.2018 at 11:45

Poor noob, the money belongs to the bankers not to the american people. you are all just worthless slaves in their eyes.

you clearly know nothing

Γραμμένο από Sultan of Swing, 02.10.2018 at 15:39

Γραμμένο από Ruse, 01.10.2018 at 11:45

Poor noob, the money belongs to the bankers not to the american people. you are all just worthless slaves in their eyes.

you clearly know nothing

why dont you educate him then

Γραμμένο από Ruse, 01.10.2018 at 11:45

Poor noob, the money belongs to the bankers not to the american people. you are all just worthless slaves in their eyes.

bankers :^)

Furthermore, I consider that NWE must be destroyed

America is great because America is good.

Γραμμένο από Sultan of Swing, 02.10.2018 at 15:39

Γραμμένο από Ruse, 01.10.2018 at 11:45

Poor noob, the money belongs to the bankers not to the american people. you are all just worthless slaves in their eyes.

you clearly know nothing

He is right though; 2018 USA is not same as 1990 USA and that USA is totally opposite of 1950 USA (american era most consider best in the world). Wages in USA stopped growing in 1971 and current generation actually learn few percents less than their parents generation, there are third world pockets across USA, housing prices goes up while wages stagnate, migrants taking 1/3 of jobs (lets face it, not all can work in white collar sector) and not even going to mention US banks and their redlining.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/feb/12/monsanto-sues-farmers-seed-patents

Big corp bullying farmers because they manually sort corn seed (for next season) implying that they must be registered like a company and use proper sorting machinery (like they do), which doesn't make sense because even if such machine exist, it is not profitable even for big corpos.

Long story short: average american doesn't get anything from his national GDP.

Γραμμένο από Skanderbeg, 02.10.2018 at 20:05

Γραμμένο από Sultan of Swing, 02.10.2018 at 15:39

Γραμμένο από Ruse, 01.10.2018 at 11:45

Poor noob, the money belongs to the bankers not to the american people. you are all just worthless slaves in their eyes.

you clearly know nothing

He is right though; 2018 USA is not same as 1990 USA and that USA is totally opposite of 1950 USA (american era most consider best in the world). Wages in USA stopped growing in 1971 and current generation actually learn few percents less than their parents generation, there are third world pockets across USA, housing prices goes up while wages stagnate, migrants taking 1/3 of jobs (lets face it, not all can work in white collar sector) and not even going to mention US banks and their redlining.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/feb/12/monsanto-sues-farmers-seed-patents

Big corp bullying farmers because they manually sort corn seed (for next season) implying that they must be registered like a company and use proper sorting machinery (like they do), which doesn't make sense because even if such machine exist, it is not profitable even for big corpos.

Long story short: average american doesn't get anything from his national GDP.

that is such a small factor that your citing to equate to such a complex economy.. like.. small would even be an overstatement. before you post about anything please read up on the complexity of the american economy first other than a few websites. if anything.. business has been booming here as of late ever since our current president has lifted many restrictions on business and on small business, its amazing how great capitalism works without the socialist disease of our last president

Γραμμένο από Sultan of Swing, 02.10.2018 at 20:26

that is such a small factor that your citing to equate to such a complex economy.. like.. small would even be an overstatement. before you post about anything please read up on the complexity of the american economy first other than a few websites. if anything.. business has been booming here as of late ever since our current president has lifted many restrictions on business and on small business, its amazing how great capitalism works without the socialist disease of our last president

True, small factor, i could write more but for the sake of topic i just mentions the pieces. I am aware of a modern capitalist(neoliberal) economic complexity though.

Even i like Trump more than Obama, but i wouldn't call Obama policies 'socialist disease', as trying to improve decaying healthcare(i believe you're thinking of that as i see all blame Obama for that) is not even close to socialism(unless you think european universal healthcare is socialism). He not even wanted/pushed for universal, just for more affordable private one.

Anyway, capitalism compared to neoliberal economy looks like the best system ever, and i would choose it any day over neoliberal hellhole we're living now, but please don't equate one with another, as true free market disappeared two decades ago. Some things simply cannot be private and making them private just make the things worse (and yes, state-owned companies does not instantly mean low production/low profit, as proven by european, chinese and japanese capitalist economic examples)

Again story short: Trump short-term policies will not solve long-term american economic health, as key industries are monopolized years ago which hurts the free market. American economy is still the biggest, and most Americans still enjoy high living standards, but that's declining fast due to problems and issues hitting the very foundation of national economy.

Of course you should stay optimistic and defend your position, i'm just becoming pessimistic and see China as example of modern growth (along Japan, if we speak about major countries that is), i even lost hope in Germany after they received 2 million migrants, as even disciplined and hardworking nation like them can't take on so much problems addressing modern economy (in it's complexity as you said).

Γραμμένο από Skanderbeg, 02.10.2018 at 20:45

Γραμμένο από Sultan of Swing, 02.10.2018 at 20:26

that is such a small factor that your citing to equate to such a complex economy.. like.. small would even be an overstatement. before you post about anything please read up on the complexity of the american economy first other than a few websites. if anything.. business has been booming here as of late ever since our current president has lifted many restrictions on business and on small business, its amazing how great capitalism works without the socialist disease of our last president

True, small factor, i could write more but for the sake of topic i just mentions the pieces. I am aware of a modern capitalist(neoliberal) economic complexity though.

Even i like Trump more than Obama, but i wouldn't call Obama policies 'socialist disease', as trying to improve decaying healthcare(i believe you're thinking of that as i see all blame Obama for that) is not even close to socialism(unless you think european universal healthcare is socialism). He not even wanted/pushed for universal, just for more affordable private one.

Anyway, capitalism compared to neoliberal economy looks like the best system ever, and i would choose it any day over neoliberal hellhole we're living now, but please don't equate one with another, as true free market disappeared two decades ago. Some things simply cannot be private and making them private just make the things worse (and yes, state-owned companies does not instantly mean low production/low profit, as proven by european, chinese and japanese capitalist economic examples)

Again story short: Trump short-term policies will not solve long-term american economic health, as key industries are monopolized years ago which hurts the free market. American economy is still the biggest, and most Americans still enjoy high living standards, but that's declining fast due to problems and issues hitting the very foundation of national economy.

Of course you should stay optimistic and defend your position, i'm just becoming pessimistic and see China as example of modern growth (along Japan, if we speak about major countries that is), i even lost hope in Germany after they received 2 million migrants, as even disciplined and hardworking nation like them can't take on so much problems addressing modern economy (in it's complexity as you said).

neoliberalism isn't quite really much practiced anymore. that view was huge, especially during the post ww2 era of keynsian economics and the bretton woods agreement.

I did use a slight hyperbole by describing obamas policies as a socialist disease, regardless, im sure you can tell i am no fan of socialist policies in general. The only time socialism works in america is during a recession or a depression. However, what has put our economy through depressions recessions were socialist policies that were geared towards taking the excess wealth generated by good times, and making it more accessible to the lower classes. However, as we can see, this led to the great depression, and also led to a recession mid-Bush era.

Im not sure if things are like this where you are from, but we definitely have true private industry. There's a reason we pay a shit ton of dollars for a stinkin f-150, and that's because the government doesnt make it, its contracted out to multiple complanies (25+ if I remember correctly including boeing).

Trumps policies are not short term lol, lowering taxes on the private sector allows for the growth of business, simple as that. growth is never short term. If we had short term growth and short term recession im sure u can agree we'd live in quite the strange world. The only threat of monopoly here in america would be amazon, but its only a matter of time before they begin to get broken up due to anti-trust laws that have been in place since the early 20th century. I'm not sure what you're reading, but living standards here are not fast declining, but quite the opposite. If anything they are fast improving due to us being at the lowest unemployment rate since the 1960s (!).

In all seriousness though, where are you getting your "facts" from?

Γραμμένο από Sultan of Swing, 03.10.2018 at 06:42

Γραμμένο από Skanderbeg, 02.10.2018 at 20:45

Γραμμένο από Sultan of Swing, 02.10.2018 at 20:26

that is such a small factor that your citing to equate to such a complex economy.. like.. small would even be an overstatement. before you post about anything please read up on the complexity of the american economy first other than a few websites. if anything.. business has been booming here as of late ever since our current president has lifted many restrictions on business and on small business, its amazing how great capitalism works without the socialist disease of our last president

True, small factor, i could write more but for the sake of topic i just mentions the pieces. I am aware of a modern capitalist(neoliberal) economic complexity though.

Even i like Trump more than Obama, but i wouldn't call Obama policies 'socialist disease', as trying to improve decaying healthcare(i believe you're thinking of that as i see all blame Obama for that) is not even close to socialism(unless you think european universal healthcare is socialism). He not even wanted/pushed for universal, just for more affordable private one.

Anyway, capitalism compared to neoliberal economy looks like the best system ever, and i would choose it any day over neoliberal hellhole we're living now, but please don't equate one with another, as true free market disappeared two decades ago. Some things simply cannot be private and making them private just make the things worse (and yes, state-owned companies does not instantly mean low production/low profit, as proven by european, chinese and japanese capitalist economic examples)

Again story short: Trump short-term policies will not solve long-term american economic health, as key industries are monopolized years ago which hurts the free market. American economy is still the biggest, and most Americans still enjoy high living standards, but that's declining fast due to problems and issues hitting the very foundation of national economy.

Of course you should stay optimistic and defend your position, i'm just becoming pessimistic and see China as example of modern growth (along Japan, if we speak about major countries that is), i even lost hope in Germany after they received 2 million migrants, as even disciplined and hardworking nation like them can't take on so much problems addressing modern economy (in it's complexity as you said).

neoliberalism isn't quite really much practiced anymore. that view was huge, especially during the post ww2 era of keynsian economics and the bretton woods agreement.

I did use a slight hyperbole by describing obamas policies as a socialist disease, regardless, im sure you can tell i am no fan of socialist policies in general. The only time socialism works in america is during a recession or a depression. However, what has put our economy through depressions recessions were socialist policies that were geared towards taking the excess wealth generated by good times, and making it more accessible to the lower classes. However, as we can see, this led to the great depression, and also led to a recession mid-Bush era.

Im not sure if things are like this where you are from, but we definitely have true private industry. There's a reason we pay a shit ton of dollars for a stinkin f-150, and that's because the government doesnt make it, its contracted out to multiple complanies (25+ if I remember correctly including boeing).

Trumps policies are not short term lol, lowering taxes on the private sector allows for the growth of business, simple as that. growth is never short term. If we had short term growth and short term recession im sure u can agree we'd live in quite the strange world. The only threat of monopoly here in america would be amazon, but its only a matter of time before they begin to get broken up due to anti-trust laws that have been in place since the early 20th century. I'm not sure what you're reading, but living standards here are not fast declining, but quite the opposite. If anything they are fast improving due to us being at the lowest unemployment rate since the 1960s (!).

In all seriousness though, where are you getting your "facts" from?

I'll be blunt here: I view the smalltown economic system through a rose-tinted lense just like any other economically-enabled American, wherein the monopolization of industry and the conglomeration of multiple industries does not occur; I believe in the simplification of our economic system to enable Proletarian hordes to have their fair share of economic opportunity.

But that's a fucking pipe dream if we ever want to get anything done. We-- as a species-- are beginning to conflate macro and micro for the simple fact that there is currently a host of world-ending dilemmas facing every nation around the globe; we as a species have a grand desire to explore space; we as a species will soon face an information crisis in which there is no need for added transparency as it will all occur freely in real-time for everyone to see despite checks being put in place to prevent such. A globalized, homogenized macroeconomy is the only avenue we can take as a species to produce, deliver, and confer the resources, information, research, and technology necessary to end macroproblems and commit to a spacefaring civilization in the next fifty years instead of five hundred.

Now, the window through which I view President Trump's economic shift(s) varies, though either way it is largely relative to your place in our economy. I'm saving a few bucks a year via the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017, and the opportunity for macroindustry is still there, so I'm all for it. Largely my only goal in life is to contribute effectual change in the Aerospace and Miitary production sectors of our economy and political livelihood, hence my stance being a determinant on the lack of necessity I pin onto the current economic paradigm led mostly by Spooks and psueudo-intellectuals.

Γραμμένο από Sultan of Swing, 03.10.2018 at 06:42

neoliberalism isn't quite really much practiced anymore. that view was huge, especially during the post ww2 era of keynsian economics and the bretton woods agreement.

It's all over the news since 1990 in Eastern Europe/Russia, everyone talks about that, NGOs, opposition parties, government, popular parties, movements, colleges/faculties. I listened carefully and realized that when communism collapsed, no one talked about capitalism, but specifically about neoliberalism (both foreigners/advisers and natives, anti-communists and progressives).

Γραμμένο από Sultan of Swing, 03.10.2018 at 06:42

I did use a slight hyperbole by describing obamas policies as a socialist disease, regardless, im sure you can tell i am no fan of socialist policies in general. The only time socialism works in america is during a recession or a depression.

It's like that everywhere.

Γραμμένο από Sultan of Swing, 03.10.2018 at 06:42

However, what has put our economy through depressions recessions were socialist policies that were geared towards taking the excess wealth generated by good times, and making it more accessible to the lower classes. However, as we can see, this led to the great depression, and also led to a recession mid-Bush era.

Disagree, capitalism created great depression and recession, as they manipulated prices, market and stocks (as in 1929 and 2008), there are no socialists with big companies and inside Wall Street.

Γραμμένο από Sultan of Swing, 03.10.2018 at 06:42

Im not sure if things are like this where you are from, but we definitely have true private industry. There's a reason we pay a shit ton of dollars for a stinkin f-150, and that's because the government doesnt make it, its contracted out to multiple complanies (25+ if I remember correctly including boeing).

I know that, and that's the problem, you can't have everything privatized. Russia and China have state-owned armarment and their weapons are cheaper, yet modern. Germany have private military companies, yet those companies obey German Government and it's impossible to inflate prices like with F-35. State must have overall authority and its word is final, no matter which party is elected (in the government).

Γραμμένο από Sultan of Swing, 03.10.2018 at 06:42

Trumps policies are not short term lol, lowering taxes on the private sector allows for the growth of business, simple as that. growth is never short term. If we had short term growth and short term recession im sure u can agree we'd live in quite the strange world.

No i meant his term is 8 years max, after that his policies can be removed, that's why i meant short term.

Γραμμένο από Sultan of Swing, 03.10.2018 at 06:42

The only threat of monopoly here in america would be amazon, but its only a matter of time before they begin to get broken up due to anti-trust laws that have been in place since the early 20th century. I'm not sure what you're reading, but living standards here are not fast declining, but quite the opposite. If anything they are fast improving due to us being at the lowest unemployment rate since the 1960s (!).

Progress (or in this case regress) is exponential, it starts slowly but then speed up, average life expectancy is reduced for 0.3, wages didn't go up for 40 years, jobs are outsourced, fast food more affordable than domestic vegetables/fruits/meat/dairy, then abuse at workplace etc.

Γραμμένο από Sultan of Swing, 03.10.2018 at 06:42

In all seriousness though, where are you getting your "facts" from?

Various collection of memories i have in the last 20 years: Michael Moore movies, Food Inc documentary, hundreds of op-eds, random news coming from USA from time to time.

Well i wanted to read, but u guys have time to waste D

Γραμμένο από Skanderbeg, 03.10.2018 at 12:18

Γραμμένο από Sultan of Swing, 03.10.2018 at 06:42

neoliberalism isn't quite really much practiced anymore. that view was huge, especially during the post ww2 era of keynsian economics and the bretton woods agreement.

It's all over the news since 1990 in Eastern Europe/Russia, everyone talks about that, NGOs, opposition parties, government, popular parties, movements, colleges/faculties. I listened carefully and realized that when communism collapsed, no one talked about capitalism, but specifically about neoliberalism (both foreigners/advisers and natives, anti-communists and progressives).

Γραμμένο από Sultan of Swing, 03.10.2018 at 06:42

I did use a slight hyperbole by describing obamas policies as a socialist disease, regardless, im sure you can tell i am no fan of socialist policies in general. The only time socialism works in america is during a recession or a depression.

It's like that everywhere.

Γραμμένο από Sultan of Swing, 03.10.2018 at 06:42

However, what has put our economy through depressions recessions were socialist policies that were geared towards taking the excess wealth generated by good times, and making it more accessible to the lower classes. However, as we can see, this led to the great depression, and also led to a recession mid-Bush era.

Disagree, capitalism created great depression and recession, as they manipulated prices, market and stocks (as in 1929 and 2008), there are no socialists with big companies and inside Wall Street.

Γραμμένο από Sultan of Swing, 03.10.2018 at 06:42

Im not sure if things are like this where you are from, but we definitely have true private industry. There's a reason we pay a shit ton of dollars for a stinkin f-150, and that's because the government doesnt make it, its contracted out to multiple complanies (25+ if I remember correctly including boeing).

I know that, and that's the problem, you can't have everything privatized. Russia and China have state-owned armarment and their weapons are cheaper, yet modern. Germany have private military companies, yet those companies obey German Government and it's impossible to inflate prices like with F-35. State must have overall authority and its word is final, no matter which party is elected (in the government).

Γραμμένο από Sultan of Swing, 03.10.2018 at 06:42

Trumps policies are not short term lol, lowering taxes on the private sector allows for the growth of business, simple as that. growth is never short term. If we had short term growth and short term recession im sure u can agree we'd live in quite the strange world.

No i meant his term is 8 years max, after that his policies can be removed, that's why i meant short term.

Γραμμένο από Sultan of Swing, 03.10.2018 at 06:42

The only threat of monopoly here in america would be amazon, but its only a matter of time before they begin to get broken up due to anti-trust laws that have been in place since the early 20th century. I'm not sure what you're reading, but living standards here are not fast declining, but quite the opposite. If anything they are fast improving due to us being at the lowest unemployment rate since the 1960s (!).

Progress (or in this case regress) is exponential, it starts slowly but then speed up, average life expectancy is reduced for 0.3, wages didn't go up for 40 years, jobs are outsourced, fast food more affordable than domestic vegetables/fruits/meat/dairy, then abuse at workplace etc.

Γραμμένο από Sultan of Swing, 03.10.2018 at 06:42

In all seriousness though, where are you getting your "facts" from?

Various collection of memories i have in the last 20 years: Michael Moore movies, Food Inc documentary, hundreds of op-eds, random news coming from USA from time to time.

Just because someone discusses the usage of NGOs, and all that other stuff, doesnt equate to neoliberal views. FIGOs and IGOs have long been in use prior to the neoliberal view being established. (i'm forgetting the name at the moment) but check out the international telegram IGO, it was established towards the latter half of the 19th century, and was groundbreaking in that it was the first time the international system got together in cooperation. Long before the neo-liberal viewpoint being espoused. Further IGOs were created from this even before the first world war, which most political scientists and historians have typically wrongly judged as the beginning of the creation of IGOs.

Capitalism does not create economic downslides, its a far more complex system than that. Capitalism when left unchecked can lead to this, but capitalism in of itself is not the root cause.

Having a good portion of your economy privatized is not inherently wrong. Correct me if im wrong, but it seems as if you believe that economy should be entirely state run? Not quite clear as to what you're arguing, but thats what it sounds like. Regardless, having an extensive private sector drives the free market because it creates competition. competition is a big factor in increasing economic freedom. Go and check out the World Economic Freedom Index (https://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/index-of-economic-freedom.asp). You'll note that the US has quite the higher score than Russia and China. With that being said, this means that me as an individual has a higher ceiling and is more capable of pursuing economic growth in my lifetime, than in countries with a lower economic freedom rank. Even equity markets here have grown 180% since 2009. Business is booming my friend. However, if you look at countries with lower Freedom Index Scores, their citizens can only achieve so much wealth, and because of this, can only invest so much more back into the economy. The more money that your own people have to invest in the economy, the more the economy grows.

Just because policies are enacted during a presidency's tenure does not mean they will be undone after they leave office. Bill Clinton in the 90s signed on to the ICC (International Criminal Court) (on the very last day in office lmao) but when he realized how terrible of an institution it was, he made sure to inform the incoming president, George Bush, to not seek ratification in the senate. Ever since Clinton, each successive president has refused to recognize the ICC as a legitimate institution. With the more recent economic policies of Trump, (check in on the trade war we're about to start up against China) that is not a long term policy that can suddenly be undone once initiated. Once started, it will have to be completed, and it may take much longer than 3 years, or even 8 years. Trump is attempting to take on the US Debt, and is trying to do what other President's have been so afraid of, and thats actually dealing with our trade imbalance from China. Ofc our economy may take a hit in the short term, but in the long run will put us even in a stronger position moving forward.
I don't quite understand ur argumentation on progress and how that related to amazon, maybe you could re-explain? Like I said though, we are at an all time low in unemployment rates (amazing! actually it sucks for me until i finish my degree :S) and because of this there is now more money being invested in the economy. Granted, it has led to the growth of amazon, but like i said, there are numerous lawyers seeking ways to break up amazon, and it will only be a matter of time until this happens.

Γραμμένο από Guest, 03.10.2018 at 14:47

Well i wanted to read, but u guys have time to waste D

or time between classes

Γραμμένο από Guest, 03.10.2018 at 10:31

Γραμμένο από Sultan of Swing, 03.10.2018 at 06:42

Γραμμένο από Skanderbeg, 02.10.2018 at 20:45

Γραμμένο από Sultan of Swing, 02.10.2018 at 20:26

that is such a small factor that your citing to equate to such a complex economy.. like.. small would even be an overstatement. before you post about anything please read up on the complexity of the american economy first other than a few websites. if anything.. business has been booming here as of late ever since our current president has lifted many restrictions on business and on small business, its amazing how great capitalism works without the socialist disease of our last president

True, small factor, i could write more but for the sake of topic i just mentions the pieces. I am aware of a modern capitalist(neoliberal) economic complexity though.

Even i like Trump more than Obama, but i wouldn't call Obama policies 'socialist disease', as trying to improve decaying healthcare(i believe you're thinking of that as i see all blame Obama for that) is not even close to socialism(unless you think european universal healthcare is socialism). He not even wanted/pushed for universal, just for more affordable private one.

Anyway, capitalism compared to neoliberal economy looks like the best system ever, and i would choose it any day over neoliberal hellhole we're living now, but please don't equate one with another, as true free market disappeared two decades ago. Some things simply cannot be private and making them private just make the things worse (and yes, state-owned companies does not instantly mean low production/low profit, as proven by european, chinese and japanese capitalist economic examples)

Again story short: Trump short-term policies will not solve long-term american economic health, as key industries are monopolized years ago which hurts the free market. American economy is still the biggest, and most Americans still enjoy high living standards, but that's declining fast due to problems and issues hitting the very foundation of national economy.

Of course you should stay optimistic and defend your position, i'm just becoming pessimistic and see China as example of modern growth (along Japan, if we speak about major countries that is), i even lost hope in Germany after they received 2 million migrants, as even disciplined and hardworking nation like them can't take on so much problems addressing modern economy (in it's complexity as you said).

neoliberalism isn't quite really much practiced anymore. that view was huge, especially during the post ww2 era of keynsian economics and the bretton woods agreement.

I did use a slight hyperbole by describing obamas policies as a socialist disease, regardless, im sure you can tell i am no fan of socialist policies in general. The only time socialism works in america is during a recession or a depression. However, what has put our economy through depressions recessions were socialist policies that were geared towards taking the excess wealth generated by good times, and making it more accessible to the lower classes. However, as we can see, this led to the great depression, and also led to a recession mid-Bush era.

Im not sure if things are like this where you are from, but we definitely have true private industry. There's a reason we pay a shit ton of dollars for a stinkin f-150, and that's because the government doesnt make it, its contracted out to multiple complanies (25+ if I remember correctly including boeing).

Trumps policies are not short term lol, lowering taxes on the private sector allows for the growth of business, simple as that. growth is never short term. If we had short term growth and short term recession im sure u can agree we'd live in quite the strange world. The only threat of monopoly here in america would be amazon, but its only a matter of time before they begin to get broken up due to anti-trust laws that have been in place since the early 20th century. I'm not sure what you're reading, but living standards here are not fast declining, but quite the opposite. If anything they are fast improving due to us being at the lowest unemployment rate since the 1960s (!).

In all seriousness though, where are you getting your "facts" from?

I'll be blunt here: I view the smalltown economic system through a rose-tinted lense just like any other economically-enabled American, wherein the monopolization of industry and the conglomeration of multiple industries does not occur; I believe in the simplification of our economic system to enable Proletarian hordes to have their fair share of economic opportunity.

But that's a fucking pipe dream if we ever want to get anything done. We-- as a species-- are beginning to conflate macro and micro for the simple fact that there is currently a host of world-ending dilemmas facing every nation around the globe; we as a species have a grand desire to explore space; we as a species will soon face an information crisis in which there is no need for added transparency as it will all occur freely in real-time for everyone to see despite checks being put in place to prevent such. A globalized, homogenized macroeconomy is the only avenue we can take as a species to produce, deliver, and confer the resources, information, research, and technology necessary to end macroproblems and commit to a spacefaring civilization in the next fifty years instead of five hundred.

you sir need help D

Γραμμένο από Sultan of Swing, 03.10.2018 at 15:03

Just because someone discusses the usage of NGOs, and all that other stuff, doesnt equate to neoliberal views. FIGOs and IGOs have long been in use prior to the neoliberal view being established. (i'm forgetting the name at the moment) but check out the international telegram IGO, it was established towards the latter half of the 19th century, and was groundbreaking in that it was the first time the international system got together in cooperation. Long before the neo-liberal viewpoint being espoused. Further IGOs were created from this even before the first world war, which most political scientists and historians have typically wrongly judged as the beginning of the creation of IGOs.

Well, in Eastern Europe NGOs are used a tool to spread influence and control, not ideology(neoliberal ideo.), but that's another topic, just wanted to point out that i never heard anyone supporting capitalism here after communism, but neoliberalism. My opinion is that capitalism is hijacked by neoliberals, thus confusing people, making them think we're still living in capitalism, both, you after Cold War and we after Communism.

Γραμμένο από Sultan of Swing, 03.10.2018 at 15:03

Capitalism does not create economic downslides, its a far more complex system than that. Capitalism when left unchecked can lead to this, but capitalism in of itself is not the root cause.

That's what i was saying, unregulated capitalism leads to depression and recession, there must be state oversight and authority, like in Germany, Japan and now China. But point is to emphasize that monopoly is not part of capitalism and must be stopped, Same with investment funds, not capitalist, must be banned (hard to trace money source, i spoke to oil rig worker on this very game and asked him about his company, he said its canadian, but owned by american oil company, but that american company is owned by investment fund, they are doing that on purpose to hide real owner).

Γραμμένο από Sultan of Swing, 03.10.2018 at 15:03

Having a good portion of your economy privatized is not inherently wrong. Correct me if im wrong, but it seems as if you believe that economy should be entirely state run? Not quite clear as to what you're arguing, but thats what it sounds like. Regardless, having an extensive private sector drives the free market because it creates competition. competition is a big factor in increasing economic freedom. Go and check out the World Economic Freedom Index (https://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/index-of-economic-freedom.asp). You'll note that the US has quite the higher score than Russia and China. With that being said, this means that me as an individual has a higher ceiling and is more capable of pursuing economic growth in my lifetime, than in countries with a lower economic freedom rank. Even equity markets here have grown 180% since 2009. Business is booming my friend. However, if you look at countries with lower Freedom Index Scores, their citizens can only achieve so much wealth, and because of this, can only invest so much more back into the economy. The more money that your own people have to invest in the economy, the more the economy grows.

No i didn't said state-owned, but some parts of economy must be excluded from profit-motive, like electricity, oil, defence, water, sanitation (ask middle age english about 80's and his experience). Crucial things must be state-owned for the sake of people/public.

That's why i like China because they privatized economy but not banking, construction, transportation and energy - all crucial stuff that directly provides the people, while ice cream vendors and shoe makers are private owners and workers to do as they please.

Γραμμένο από Sultan of Swing, 03.10.2018 at 15:03

Just because policies are enacted during a presidency's tenure does not mean they will be undone after they leave office. Bill Clinton in the 90s signed on to the ICC (International Criminal Court) (on the very last day in office lmao) but when he realized how terrible of an institution it was, he made sure to inform the incoming president, George Bush, to not seek ratification in the senate. Ever since Clinton, each successive president has refused to recognize the ICC as a legitimate institution. With the more recent economic policies of Trump, (check in on the trade war we're about to start up against China) that is not a long term policy that can suddenly be undone once initiated. Once started, it will have to be completed, and it may take much longer than 3 years, or even 8 years. Trump is attempting to take on the US Debt, and is trying to do what other President's have been so afraid of, and thats actually dealing with our trade imbalance from China. Ofc our economy may take a hit in the short term, but in the long run will put us even in a stronger position moving forward.

I agree with the first part. Second part is spooky, not being signatory of ICC. About third part, weird to start 'war' against China just because they are more competitive, affordable and easy-going. Why not reform domestic economy and market to try be more competitive globally, instead punishing others?

No one forced American companies to work in China, giving them jobs and making US products affordable to Chinese because now they are made in China. No one forced Americans to invest in Chinese economy, and no one forced Americans back home to buy goods coming from China.

China is giving affordable credits to their entreprenurs and start ups, supporting middle-size companies, basically 19th century german principe, but it's working.

Γραμμένο από Sultan of Swing, 03.10.2018 at 15:03

I don't quite understand ur argumentation on progress and how that related to amazon, maybe you could re-explain? Like I said though, we are at an all time low in unemployment rates (amazing! actually it sucks for me until i finish my degree :S) and because of this there is now more money being invested in the economy. Granted, it has led to the growth of amazon, but like i said, there are numerous lawyers seeking ways to break up amazon, and it will only be a matter of time until this happens.

Real progress lies in middle class and their average jobs, not big corporations, as they are too few. I've checked German and Japanese car companies, and found out that they only produce engines, while small and medium companies produce everything else, and just ship to corporate assembly line where they put it together with the engine.

While in USA, there are only 4 slaughterhouses left (there were more than 20 before), GMO corporation is suing farmers for corn seed (while it should be vice-versa, as farmers grow organic healthy food), Lockheed is not finishing a plane but ask for more money (while they should offer a plane before receive money as in real capitalism), and government ceased supporting free tertiary education, for no reason while 1/10th of annual tax money goes on paying debt rate.

Corporations in America(minority) is destroying average worker and average company(majority), if that trend continue, USA will become a place we see in satirical movies (like Death Race 2050).

I'm telling you, if government didn't end Bretton Woods system in 1971, US growth would be 15% today and 3x times bigger than Chinese by all measurements.