Entropy as the cause of multiples utopias.

Have you even though the reason about why we will never reach an utopia in the world, is because we all have different utopias?

Everybody wants to move the world to their utopia, hence why there is a very slow (when none) progress in topics such as grows, poverty, military, etc. We can clearly see that Russia and the U.S have different utopias, for example. They want to move the world to different positions...

To reach Utopia you need to change yourself, not others. Until now, utopian ideologies tried to change everyone and everything not starting from themselves.



- that's why China is not trying to spread Communism like USSR; they set example for anyone to follow voluntarily because if individual decide to follow, that mean he decided to change/reform himself. That's why you'll find many hardcore communists in China, they like it, they believe in it, they give 110% effort to help China.

- that's why Japanese martial arts take time to learn, years and decades, and only few achieve title of Master (unless you're european, they give it away); you have to voluntarily embrace japanese martial arts, practice it daily, decide to make progress, reform have to come voluntarily, japanese martial arts doesn't try to break humans or force them change. Have you seen some Japanese M.A master who didn't volunteer to be that? How are they so strong, battle-ready and profound in their work?

- Byzantian Christian Church was built by volunteers, you can find greatest painted arts to be in Byzantian sphere of influence; they promoted self-reform and individualism.

- Terrorists like ISIS is also good example; they are all volunteers, they travel 15,000km across to globe to reach ISIS and join them, they really believe in their cause, they volunteer to help build their utopia, their theocratic state where god will rule and everyone have everything and is happy. They are not forced to do that, they have books and teachers who they use to reform themselves as individuals, to better serve their common goal.

To achieve this state of utopia you first need everyone to have exactly the same views and achieve full and utter cooperation with the rules and laws of this society. This is humanly impossible because we are wonderful and various creatures and no two people are identical (yes, you don't have to be identical to have the same views, but unless the whole population is similar in construction [which would lead them to sharing these views] then it is impossible). It's foolish for anybody to set their goal for society to achieve utopia, because it will never happen. People have to admit and accept the fact that there will always be bad in a society, and strive to be the best possible humans and ultimately humanity.

We would have utopia if America and Germany never existed,and people like croatians and ukrainians never forget that they are serbs and russians.

Remove balkan.

Γραμμένο από Kromn, 14.10.2015 at 11:30

people like croatians and ukrainians never forget that they are serbs and russians.

oh i'm sorry... but our tribe has a real name and not a derivative from servus, which byzantins used for Slavic slave tribes that later united and started calling themselves some imaginary "Serbian tribe".

:kiss:

Γραμμένο από Goblin, 14.10.2015 at 11:42

Γραμμένο από Kromn, 14.10.2015 at 11:30

people like croatians and ukrainians never forget that they are serbs and russians.

oh i'm sorry... but our tribe has a real name and not a derivative from servus, which byzantins used for Slavic slave tribes that later united and started calling themselves some imaginary "Serbian tribe".

:kiss:

Γραμμένο από Kromn, 14.10.2015 at 11:59

Yes very impressive how slaves consisting of croats, gypsys and bulgarian witches made an empire that lasted one emperor

Kroatien bosnien <3

Γραμμένο από Goblin, 14.10.2015 at 12:04

fuck you

Or its because humans are inherently flawed

Utopia comes from the Greek and literally means no place. It's imaginary.

If you take a look at the answers here you will realize whats wrong with our world. You have defending of Byzantine empire, which its core-christianity put western civilization in 1,5k years of darkness. You have defending of Modern China who destroys the planet and our species with its pollution and abuses basic human rights and liberties. You have defending of muslim culture, which took the Middle East civilization to 800 years of dark ages and still is to this day and you have defending of bloodthirsty barbarian slavic tribes fighting for supremacy over pathetic pieces of irrelevant balkan land.


when we stop thinking as individuals and start thinking as a species and when we stop thinking of ourselves as anything more than a bunch of chemical reactions walking who happen to be "concious" by chance and whose "counciousness" has an expiration date, then we can focus on what should be universal goal. To extend our concious existance and try to understand the meaning of all this. Wheather is jewish bankers amassing wealth, western politicians lying, muslims abusing their minorities, africans creating 5 babies each in conditions of poverty or chinese simply banning the internet, they all pose a threat to humanity and its development. Until we get rid of all these we are doomed. And instead of creating nanocells that will heal us and working synthetic organs to replace our dying ones and populate other planets and try to be "eternal" living for billions of years, instead we prefer to live a mere 60-70 years, running in a wheel for "money" like rats and destroy our planet in some decades or hundreds of years, tops. We could be gods of the universe if we wanted to. But instead we choose to destroy ourselves. We are a shit model. Flawed.

Γραμμένο από Kromn, 14.10.2015 at 11:59

[img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/Balkans_in_1350_according_to_Gustav_Droysen_from_19th_century.jpg[ig]

yes a very impressive empire lol

now for real,to put it in AW terms so AW boneheads can understand you pretty much took neutrals after byzantine RQd XD

Γραμμένο από Khal.eesi, 14.10.2015 at 13:27

You contradict yourself - saying we are 'concious' but then you say how humans butcher each other. Why would human harm other human if it is concious? Logic says he is opposite, as if he isn't - he wouldn't do damage if he is aware of that.

Γραμμένο από blablabla45, 14.10.2015 at 13:32

Γραμμένο από Kromn, 14.10.2015 at 11:59

[img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/Balkans_in_1350_according_to_Gustav_Droysen_from_19th_century.jpg[ig]

yes a very impressive empire lol

now for real,to put it in AW terms so AW boneheads can understand you pretty much took neutrals after byzantine RQd XD

your knowing from history is at good level.... xd

Γραμμένο από Goblin, 14.10.2015 at 14:26

Γραμμένο από Kromn, 14.10.2015 at 12:42

fuck you

Pavle, it was your intention to provoke/troll... but obviously your not ready. Your training was never completed

i just said fuck you,cuz you steal my ideas of provoking,i told that croatians are serbians before you told serbs are gupsy,kebab and croatians.

Γραμμένο από Skanderbeg, 14.10.2015 at 13:36

You contradict yourself - saying we are 'concious' but then you say how humans butcher each other. Why would human harm other human if it is concious? Logic says he is opposite, as if he isn't - he wouldn't do damage if he is aware of that.

Honestly i dont know what you are talking about. Consiousness is your ability to perceive your existance and your interaction with your surroundings, to be able to think and feel. Has nothing to do with abusing other forms of life.

Γραμμένο από Khal.eesi, 14.10.2015 at 14:38

Γραμμένο από Skanderbeg, 14.10.2015 at 13:36

You contradict yourself - saying we are 'concious' but then you say how humans butcher each other. Why would human harm other human if it is concious? Logic says he is opposite, as if he isn't - he wouldn't do damage if he is aware of that.

Honestly i dont know what the fuck you are talking about. Consiousness is your ability to perceive your existance and your interaction with your surroundings, to be able to think and feel. Has nothing to do with abusing other forms of life.

just ignore him khal,and calculate his changing of ideology per year with my way of calculating it!!!

Γραμμένο από clovis1122, 14.10.2015 at 09:06

We all live a utopia when not forced to live someone else's.
One of the ideals of contracts is that it was designed to facilitate this. The problem is, of course, those who violate agreements and contacts, and use force to impose their will on others.

With present efficiency in food production and distribution, construction, and communications, there's no reason anyone should be in want of food, housing or knowledge. (Which would in turn make theft inexcusable.) However, the present 'utopia' makes this impossible, as no government on the planet is even seeking to make meeting the basic requirements of people a top priority.

Remove kebab.

Γραμμένο από For Antioch, 30.09.2015 at 20:41

Have you read a thread? Everything in off topic goes off topic.
eg)
Who is best player in atWar -> Arguments about Balkans
Pokémon -> Arguments about Balkans
Ukraine -> Arguments about Balkans
Utopias -> Arguments about Balkans.

Γραμμένο από clovis1122, 15.10.2015 at 12:24

Γραμμένο από For Antioch, 30.09.2015 at 20:41

Have you read a thread? Everything in off topic goes off topic.
eg)
Who is best player in atWar -> Arguments about Balkans
Pokémon -> Arguments about Balkans
Ukraine -> Arguments about Balkans
Utopias -> Arguments about Balkans.

you guys are just not interesting as balkan people and balkan are,crie more

Γραμμένο από brianwl, 15.10.2015 at 08:55

With present efficiency in food production and distribution, construction, and communications, there's no reason anyone should be in want of food, housing or knowledge. (Which would in turn make theft inexcusable.) However, the present 'utopia' makes this impossible, as no government on the planet is even seeking to make meeting the basic requirements of people a top priority.

I agree that human civilization achieved production level to provide basic needs for all people, but how to distribute those needs to the people? There must be priority: sick people, poor, refugees, disabled?

Let me give you simple childish example: I worked whole life and created a factory which produce fruit juices. I produce 50,000 bottles a year and sell them thus making profit and 50,000 families buy juice to drink. But there are people starving, like Africa, so i produce juice and send them as aid, thus i don't sell it and not making profit. If i keep sending them my produced goods, that mean i won't sell it and won't have profit, which will make me poorer on the long terms. Now multiply those factories owners by 1000 as many people own production facilities and even more have nothing and starve. So my question is how to distribute goods without damaging those who legally own production? How can government help, as you mentioned?

Real Utopia:

Γραμμένο από Kromn, 15.10.2015 at 13:55

Real Utopia:

There, i fixed it for you, you couldn't possibly conquer Independent Territories of Croatia (in green)

Γραμμένο από Skanderbeg, 15.10.2015 at 14:16

There, i fixed it for you, you couldn't possibly conquer Independent terrorists ustasha Territories of Croatia (in green)

[im.g]http://i.imgur.com/g1M7Ysy.png[/img]

fixed for you*

Wow, for a moment there it looked like we could finally have interesting conversations in off topic again... but then this child above is continuing his policy of spamming irrelevant posts or insults.

I predict a ban soon in his future...

Tito... learn how to use photoshop. That paint svastika is embarassing

Γραμμένο από Goblin, 15.10.2015 at 14:29

Wow, for a moment there it looked like we could finally have interesting conversations in off topic again... but then this child above is continuing his policy of spamming irrelevant posts or insults.

I predict a ban soon in his future...

you tell about your insults that serbs are gypsies,turks and croatians?

Γραμμένο από Skanderbeg, 15.10.2015 at 13:53

I agree that human civilization achieved production level to provide basic needs for all people, but how to distribute those needs to the people? There must be priority: sick people, poor, refugees, disabled?

Let me give you simple childish example: I worked whole life and created a factory which produce fruit juices. I produce 50,000 bottles a year and sell them thus making profit and 50,000 families buy juice to drink. But there are people starving, like Africa, so i produce juice and send them as aid, thus i don't sell it and not making profit. If i keep sending them my produced goods, that mean i won't sell it and won't have profit, which will make me poorer on the long terms. Now multiply those factories owners by 1000 as many people own production facilities and even more have nothing and starve. So my question is how to distribute goods without damaging those who legally own production? How can government help, as you mentioned?

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it's the profit... screws up everything.. if you have to think in terms of money, have money makers (gov/bank) pay you for every person you feed... so you give fruit juices to 1000 people, you get 'credit' for that. If your competitor produces same quality fruit juices, but his workers more motivated for whatever reason, and makes fruit juices for 1500 people, he gets credit for that... he produced more, at same quality. (Maybe his people ♥ feeding people more, so more reward.... maybe they just greedy bastards who work more hours, doesn't matter why.)

Now lets say person you need to feed is far away... like antartica or something... then Antartica Bank gives more money until it's worthwhile to send your juice there... maybe you get 3x as much, since it is more effort to ship there.

Your competitor does the math, and says , wait, i can still get it to antartica for 2x as much (since my workers wanted to vacation there anyway, they volunteered to ship there) hahaha, but anyway, you get my point. If someone can do SAME quality more efficiently, then they can negotiate with that gov/bank.

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But never work cuz people to greedy and just like $$$ the way it is... make more profit if people are starving... they sell there house for a juice box if they starving enough..

Γραμμένο από Goblin, 15.10.2015 at 14:29

Serb... learn how to use photoshop. That paint svastika is embarassing

Embarassing would be if swastika was perfectly drawn

No thanks, i have no interest in learning to use photoshop. That is for children who like to paint. Beside it suits my goal in debates since i use alot of images, so opponents cannot accuse me for creating false proofs since i didn't draw it

Γραμμένο από brianwl, 15.10.2015 at 15:45

I will read that tomorrow, no time anymore unfortunately. In the meantime, you can read 'Project Venus' by Jaque Fresco. I believe you share same methods.