Iran plane crash

In the video you can see that falling plane is all on fire. Could iran hit the plane with rockets. Maybe there was suicide bomber. Anyways iran refused to give the black box for the research.

Due to aviation international rules iran will decrypt the black box with Ukrainians.
There is no reason to give the Ukrainian plane's black box to United States.
Ps. You better blame the accident on Boeing.

Γραμμένο από Conscious Huarck, 08.01.2020 at 07:26

Due to aviation international rules iran will decrypt the black box with Ukrainians.
There is no reason to give the Ukrainian plane's black box to United States.
Ps. You better blame the accident on Boeing.

blame on Boeing? so u mean airbus has missile defense installed?

Γραμμένο από BannedFor1Year, 08.01.2020 at 08:48

Γραμμένο από Conscious Huarck, 08.01.2020 at 07:26

Due to aviation international rules iran will decrypt the black box with Ukrainians.
There is no reason to give the Ukrainian plane's black box to United States.
Ps. You better blame the accident on Boeing.

blame on Boeing? so u mean airbus has missile defense installed?

no i mean the same incidents happened to lion airlines in indonesia and ethiopian airlines which were same class of boeing 737 planes
wake up

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_the_Boeing_737

If it was hit by a rocket it wouldn't have caught on fire, it would've just exploded...

Γραμμένο από Zephyrusu, 08.01.2020 at 13:53

If it was hit by a rocket it wouldn't have caught on fire, it would've just exploded...

Nice holywood tier assumption, even if it got hit in the engines it wouldnt blow into bits, planes dont do that. The pictures showed it got downed by shrapnel though.

Why am I watching this when I have a flight from New York next week..

UPDATE: Parts of russian rocket were found near the plane crash.

Γραμμένο από Conscious Huarck, 08.01.2020 at 07:26

Ps. You better blame the accident on Boeing.

iran's fault as i said.

R.I.P

I think they were blaming the heightened paranoia... not that i'm defending iran's actions, but at this point they are saying the missile was launched by an operator that made a judgement call without proper confirmation, due to a communication breakdown - if it weren't for the recent escalations, that judgement may have been different. Iran is still taking full responsibility, but it's not wrong that they are worried the US might invade, which could contribute to why the bad call was made.

Γραμμένο από brianwl, 11.01.2020 at 12:51

I think they were blaming the heightened paranoia... not that i'm defending iran's actions, but at this point they are saying the missile was launched by an operator that made a judgement call without proper confirmation, due to a communication breakdown - if it weren't for the recent escalations, that judgement may have been different. Iran is still taking full responsibility, but it's not wrong that they are worried the US might invade, which could contribute to why the bad call was made.

Iran had no choice. The only reason they admit is because of international pressure to investigate the case and statement by Canada, the United States and Ukraine that there was no technical error on the plane. According to the findings identified in the photos they estimated that the plane had been shot down. Iran denied that it was shot down and declared in the first few hours, until now, that it was a technical problem. Iran cannot blame anyone but itself they brought this on themselves. This is just from the last half year:



And why is it their responsbility?


And right now, there are demonstrations in Iran and calls for the ayatollah to retire ("death to the dictator"), and to remove the government because of a low level of public trust in the government.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7876363/Iranian-protesters-Tehran-turn-against-regime-military-admits-shooting-plane.html

Γραμμένο από brianwl, 11.01.2020 at 12:51

I think they were blaming the heightened paranoia... not that i'm defending iran's actions, but at this point they are saying the missile was launched by an operator that made a judgement call without proper confirmation, due to a communication breakdown - if it weren't for the recent escalations, that judgement may have been different. Iran is still taking full responsibility, but it's not wrong that they are worried the US might invade, which could contribute to why the bad call was made.

well, that is what we were all waiting for since it was pretty obvious that they were responsible. The fact the Iranian government denied for almost 2 days that they weren't responsible neither fire the plane - is something hilarious although bizarre.. The Iranian government tried to avoid the truth, luckily thanks to the political pressure of several countries, they had to admit their fault quickly. They could have digged their blame as long as proove isnt clear as soon and the news show new actual subjects because time is running.

Γραμμένο από Abraham, 11.01.2020 at 08:48

It is, we're all talking about how it is before the trump speech

The US administration did cause this little "scene" in geopolitics

Γραμμένο από Abraham, 11.01.2020 at 13:35

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Agree, but this is the first civilian target on that list, so the context is different as it was likely unintentional. As i said, i'm not defending their actions, but the US is no doubt in 'their heads' making them jumpy, and that's to what they were referring .

Γραμμένο από brianwl, 11.01.2020 at 17:12

Γραμμένο από Abraham, 11.01.2020 at 13:35

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Agree, but this is the first civilian target on that list, so the context is different as it was likely unintentional. As i said, i'm not defending their actions, but the US is no doubt in 'their heads' making them a jumpy.

Yes probably. Though for example there is a regular rockets fire into Israel and many terrorist organizations are threatening to shoot at Israel, from almost all its borders, almost all the time. Nevertheless, our system can identify between civil aircraft and unidentified objects. If Israel had accidentally shot down a civilian plane, which has never happened, the government would immediately admit it and take full responsibility for it even though we were in intense situation. And conduct an internal investigation into the truth to learn lessons from the incident. Without laying blame on the other side. Because you're dealing with an enemy and all your mistake is yours alone.

Hdrakon is right , israel only does inocent colateral fatalities via air to land operations , not land to air xD

With the tension of having USA hovering and trumps endless tweets of atacks being already planned , this seemed like the perfect storm for a mistake too occur.

Γραμμένο από sirivann, 12.01.2020 at 11:29

Hdrakon is right , israel only does inocent colateral fatalities via air to land operations , not land to air xD

With the tension of having USA hovering and trumps endless tweets of atacks being already planned , this seemed like the perfect storm for a mistake too occur.

Missiles are not shot at civil planes by mistake. If Irananians missiles are advanced enough to outsmart Nato's radars and AA missiles then obviously their radar can spot the diffrence between a plane to a missile.

At the most forgiving scenario they looked for civil target to threat and misinterperated orders. Which is a line crossed at first place.

Γραμμένο από Conscious Huarck, 08.01.2020 at 07:26

First, they say that Iran didn't shoot the plane down.

*Iran says they shot the plane down*

Then, they say that it was Trump's fault for provoking Iran.

*Iran attacks a variety of oil tankers, shoots down an American drone, attacks Saudi Arabia, attacks American military bases, attacks an American embassy, all while arming terrorist militias throughout Yemen, Lebanon, Syria, Bahrain, and Iraq*

Finally, their worldview crumbles beneath the pillars freedom and truth.


I am an American. You are an Iranian. When evidence is unavailable, I side with the United States because I am biased. When evidence is unavailable, you side with Iran because you are biased. The only difference between us is that the United States does more good than harm, more often than not. We are a free Republic founded on the enlightened ideals of John Locke. You all are a monarchy-turned dictatorship hellbent on world domination and the destruction of freedom.

Γραμμένο από Rock Lee, 12.01.2020 at 12:24

Γραμμένο από sirivann, 12.01.2020 at 11:29

Hdrakon is right , israel only does inocent colateral fatalities via air to land operations , not land to air xD

With the tension of having USA hovering and trumps endless tweets of atacks being already planned , this seemed like the perfect storm for a mistake too occur.

Missiles are not shot at civil planes by mistake. If Irananians missiles are advanced enough to outsmart Nato's radars and AA missiles then obviously their radar can spot the diffrence between a plane to a missile.

At the most forgiving scenario they looked for civil target to threat and misinterperated orders. Which is a line crossed at first place.

All weapons arent shot by mistake , even missiles need operators obviously . Even the most modernized armies have operators fail and cause civilian deaths in areas where theirs conflicts . Now they gotta do a investigacion to see why the operator fired and if someone authorized it , theirs always someone responsable , human factor is what usualy causes these kinda civilian casualty situations.

Γραμμένο από Tribune Aquila, 12.01.2020 at 12:30

Γραμμένο από Conscious Huarck, 08.01.2020 at 07:26

First, they say that Iran didn't shoot the plane down.

*Iran says they shot the plane down*

Then, they say that it was Trump's fault for provoking Iran.

*Iran attacks a variety of oil tankers, shoots down an American drone, attacks Saudi Arabia, attacks American military bases, attacks an American embassy, all while arming terrorist militias throughout Yemen, Lebanon, Syria, Bahrain, and Iraq*

Finally, their worldview crumbles beneath the pillars freedom and truth.


I am an American. You are an Iranian. When evidence is unavailable, I side with the United States because I am biased. When evidence is unavailable, you side with Iran because you are biased. The only difference between us is that the United States does more good than harm, more often than not. We are a free Republic founded on the enlightened ideals of John Locke. You all are a monarchy-turned dictatorship hellbent on world domination and the destruction of freedom.

why u gotta troll forums and games xD , stick to just one :S

Γραμμένο από sirivann, 12.01.2020 at 12:46

No they are shot by operators , thus a investigacion has to be done on why the operator shot still and if anyone higher gave the order etc

An operator can not aim at civil planes unless he actively looks for them.

Traditionally in western armies soldiers do not shoot at civils without an order or clear permission from the brigade׳s commander or his war room. I am not blaming Iranian air force for shooting in purpose because I don't know the procedures there. However I can certainly tell that if the plane was shot by them then someone for sure actively searched it.

Γραμμένο από sirivann, 12.01.2020 at 12:51

Yes, I am the troll of truth.

Here is a video of an incipient democratic movement in Iran:



Something that I'm sure you'll never see while listening to Iran state-media.

Γραμμένο από Rock Lee, 12.01.2020 at 12:52

Γραμμένο από sirivann, 12.01.2020 at 12:46

No they are shot by operators , thus a investigacion has to be done on why the operator shot still and if anyone higher gave the order etc

An operator can not aim at civil planes unless he actively looks for them.

Traditionally in western armies soldiers do not shoot at civils without an order or clear permission from the brigade׳s commander or his war room. I am not blaming Iranian air force for shooting in purpose because I don't know the procedures there. However I can certainly tell that if the plane was shot by them then someone for sure actively searched it.

no clue i have no idea what the procedure is or what tech they use , chain of comand to do it etc at all xD

I only know how usa and a few other western 1st world countries proceed in those situations.too cuz of documentaries and investigations done etc after some fucked up cases that have happened .

Γραμμένο από Tribune Aquila, 12.01.2020 at 12:57

Γραμμένο από sirivann, 12.01.2020 at 12:51

Yes, I am the troll of truth.

Here is a video of an incipient democratic movement in Iran:



Something that I'm sure you'll never see while listening to Iran state-media.

Lmao whats the point of that video , theirs shitloads of protests and movements spread over far more third world countries not only iran xD
Media just shows what they are told to show , u think usa shows the mass protests and deaths happening in pro usa gov countries? lol

Γραμμένο από sirivann, 12.01.2020 at 13:47

no clue i have no idea what the procedure is or what tech they use , chain of comand to do it etc at all xD

I only know how usa and a few other western 1st world countries proceed in those situations.too cuz of documentaries and investigations done etc after some fucked up cases that have happened .

The point is civil planes are not taken as target by any rader or missiled unless someone looked for them when aiming.

Also happy new year siri! Love you bro.

Γραμμένο από Rock Lee, 12.01.2020 at 14:14

Γραμμένο από sirivann, 12.01.2020 at 13:47

no clue i have no idea what the procedure is or what tech they use , chain of comand to do it etc at all xD

I only know how usa and a few other western 1st world countries proceed in those situations.too cuz of documentaries and investigations done etc after some fucked up cases that have happened .

The point is civil planes are not taken as target by any rader or missiled unless someone looked for them when aiming.

Also happy new year siri! Love you bro.

it's still summer in Chile and the Southern Hemisphere, it's not new year for them