I thought UN rules werent punishable by mods

Γραμμένο από The Tactician, 16.01.2014 at 23:24

Can we just get the reason why the mod kicked from that mod you and end useless thread #98329874893791

The reason top kicked him cuz was like hardcore SP farming xD 2k turn 3... I think that was the reason .

Yes.

Currently special scenario rules like UN or WWII are not enforced by moderation. 2k SP in first 2 turns though is nothing but plain SP farming, so a moderation action was a necessity...

It would be great if you could organize UN gameplay a bit better or implement mr houses suggestion, so we dont have to interfere in the future.

Γραμμένο από VRIL, 17.01.2014 at 04:07

Yes.

Currently special scenario rules like UN or WWII are not enforced by moderation. 2k SP in first 2 turns though is nothing but plain SP farming, so a moderation action was a necessity...

It would be great if you could organize UN gameplay a bit better or implement mr houses suggestion, so we dont have to interfere in the future.

What would have been more appropriate is removing the SP I made off that game after the game ended because I do not take SP from from UN games, therefore I wasn't really SP farming.

Γραμμένο από Cpt.Magic, 16.01.2014 at 21:57

Γραμμένο από KYBL, 16.01.2014 at 21:50

Γραμμένο από Cpt.Magic, 16.01.2014 at 18:45

Tophats kicked him because its sp farm which he did a good thing

I don't take SP when I troll UN games, therefore if am not farming.

Sure u dont walks away from 2k sp u can make in 1 turn

I do. I don't troll UN games for SP, I do it to bring justice to the land. I have walked away from 3k SP before in UN game because I recognize it is just as bad, if not worse than playing UN games.

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Γραμμένο από Guest, 17.01.2014 at 01:50

Good sir, tell me why when I showed proof of tunder trolling a UN game Mods didn't do anything?

It's interpretation of the rules of AW, mods are human and their views will differ on the interpretation of rules slightly from one case to another. This is much in the same way that a judge is given licence to pass punishment on individuals where the same 'crime' can and does often have different punishments on an individual basis. Basically it depends on the mod, however I would expect this to be a prescient for this particular mod so expect this from them in the future, as long as their view is consistent I have no problem with any decisions.

Γραμμένο από VRIL, 17.01.2014 at 04:07

2k SP in first 2 turns though is nothing but plain SP farming, so a moderation action was a necessity...

UN rouges make 2k 3k 4k 5k SP anyway at the end...what is the difference. plus this isn't an isolated case even and I wouldn't define /killing/ other players as farming, because again, it is part of UN.

Γραμμένο από KUNG PAO, 17.01.2014 at 12:43

Γραμμένο από VRIL, 17.01.2014 at 04:07

2k SP in first 2 turns though is nothing but plain SP farming, so a moderation action was a necessity...

UN rouges make 2k 3k 4k 5k SP anyway at the end...what is the difference. plus this isn't an isolated case even and I wouldn't define /killing/ other players as farming, because again, it is part of UN.

I wasn't event farming, I leave UN games before taking SP.

Γραμμένο από KYBL, 17.01.2014 at 12:47

I wasn't event farming, I leave UN games before taking SP.

yeah i'm saying in the cases where these players "farm" the game or just go rouge they get all the points at the end regardless if it is in 2 turns or not so it is silly to kick people for going rouge

Γραμμένο από VRIL, 17.01.2014 at 04:07

Yes.

Currently special scenario rules like UN or WWII are not enforced by moderation. 2k SP in first 2 turns though is nothing but plain SP farming, so a moderation action was a necessity...

It would be great if you could organize UN gameplay a bit better or implement mr houses suggestion, so we dont have to interfere in the future.

Great, so why don't you kick all the other players who sit for 30 turns and spam units they are given at each other for SP. When a player rouges as UN and attacks everybody with the units given to him, you can't say that is SP farming when every single player that engages in war does the same exact thing.

Whether you rouge or play the game as it's suppose to be played, UN is nothing but a huge SP farming machine.

Γραμμένο από KUNG PAO, 17.01.2014 at 12:50

Γραμμένο από KYBL, 17.01.2014 at 12:47

I wasn't event farming, I leave UN games before taking SP.

yeah i'm saying in the cases where these players "farm" the game or just go rouge they get all the points at the end regardless if it is in 2 turns or not so it is silly to kick people for going rouge

If they do farm then take away the SP from them, don't kick them from the game.

The scenario offers that type of SP in the first couple of rounds. No reason why you can't capitalize off it.

Γραμμένο από Fockmeeard, 17.01.2014 at 12:53

Γραμμένο από VRIL, 17.01.2014 at 04:07

Yes.

Currently special scenario rules like UN or WWII are not enforced by moderation. 2k SP in first 2 turns though is nothing but plain SP farming, so a moderation action was a necessity...

It would be great if you could organize UN gameplay a bit better or implement mr houses suggestion, so we dont have to interfere in the future.

Great, so why don't you kick all the other players who sit for 30 turns and spam units they are given at each other for SP. When a player rouges as UN and attacks everybody with the units given to him, you can't say that is SP farming when every single player that engages in war does the same exact thing.

Whether you rouge or play the game as it's suppose to be played, UN is nothing but a huge SP farming machine.

vril being wrong once again, nothing new here

Γραμμένο από b0nker2, 16.01.2014 at 18:44

First part is clearly unenforceable, even if my name was on banned list what could stop me from making the map and playing it?

Oh, there are ways.

Γραμμένο από VRIL, 17.01.2014 at 04:07

Yes.

Currently special scenario rules like UN or WWII are not enforced by moderation. 2k SP in first 2 turns though is nothing but plain SP farming, so a moderation action was a necessity...

It would be great if you could organize UN gameplay a bit better or implement mr houses suggestion, so we dont have to interfere in the future.

>Be 5 months ago
>Gard Rogues 3k SP out of UN
>Asks mods to remove SP because guilt
>Mods say no, who cares
>Other player Mods don't like rogues 3k SP out of UN
>BAN DAT MUHFUCKA, HE A CRINIMAL, HE NEEDS TO BE SHOT

Such special treatment, much bullshit.

Huh, seeing this thread, it makes me wonder why Avatar didn't receive punishment for sp farming with his friend! I found this out a long time ago when his friend slipped up and didn't properly PM Avatar. But to the moderators, Avatar is an angel and not an sp farmer nor troll.

This is pretty sad.

Γραμμένο από Fockmeeard, 17.01.2014 at 12:53

Great, so why don't you kick all the other players who sit for 30 turns and spam units they are given at each other for SP. When a player rouges as UN and attacks everybody with the units given to him, you can't say that is SP farming when every single player that engages in war does the same exact thing.

Whether you rouge or play the game as it's suppose to be played, UN is nothing but a huge SP farming machine.

Technically it falls under our definition of a SP farming map or scenario. But the majority of the players enjoy this map for its roleplaying aspects and not to farm SP or medals. So in the current situation there is no need for us to intervene and ban that whole map.

Γραμμένο από VRIL, 22.01.2014 at 10:54

Γραμμένο από Fockmeeard, 17.01.2014 at 12:53

Great, so why don't you kick all the other players who sit for 30 turns and spam units they are given at each other for SP. When a player rouges as UN and attacks everybody with the units given to him, you can't say that is SP farming when every single player that engages in war does the same exact thing.

Whether you rouge or play the game as it's suppose to be played, UN is nothing but a huge SP farming machine.

Technically it falls under our definition of a SP farming map or scenario. But the majority of the players enjoy this map for its roleplaying aspects and not to farm SP or medals. So in the current situation there is no need for us to intervene and ban that whole map.

The scenario is designed to farm low ranks, its a really good organized trap to lure them into a farming machine with the illusion of "RP". Low ranks spam units and farm medals, while UN takes his share of SP.

If the RP is fake, why people join? Guess what, there is nothing else to play, if they join a world map they will get late joined or nobody would ally them.

Γραμμένο από VRIL, 22.01.2014 at 10:54

Γραμμένο από Fockmeeard, 17.01.2014 at 12:53

Great, so why don't you kick all the other players who sit for 30 turns and spam units they are given at each other for SP. When a player rouges as UN and attacks everybody with the units given to him, you can't say that is SP farming when every single player that engages in war does the same exact thing.

Whether you rouge or play the game as it's suppose to be played, UN is nothing but a huge SP farming machine.

Technically it falls under our definition of a SP farming map or scenario. But the majority of the players enjoy this map for its roleplaying aspects and not to farm SP or medals. So in the current situation there is no need for us to intervene and ban that whole map.

Ok, sweet. I'll play UN as a roleplayer and attack everybody first turn and get SP because TECHNICALLY I'm roleplaying as a corrupt UN that has an agenda to take over the world, not to farm SP.

Γραμμένο από Fockmeeard, 22.01.2014 at 13:03

Γραμμένο από VRIL, 22.01.2014 at 10:54

Γραμμένο από Fockmeeard, 17.01.2014 at 12:53

Great, so why don't you kick all the other players who sit for 30 turns and spam units they are given at each other for SP. When a player rouges as UN and attacks everybody with the units given to him, you can't say that is SP farming when every single player that engages in war does the same exact thing.

Whether you rouge or play the game as it's suppose to be played, UN is nothing but a huge SP farming machine.

Technically it falls under our definition of a SP farming map or scenario. But the majority of the players enjoy this map for its roleplaying aspects and not to farm SP or medals. So in the current situation there is no need for us to intervene and ban that whole map.

Ok, sweet. I'll play UN as a roleplayer and attack everybody first turn and get SP because TECHNICALLY I'm roleplaying as a corrupt UN that has an agenda to take over the world, not to farm SP.

Agreed

Γραμμένο από KYBL, 22.01.2014 at 13:15

Γραμμένο από Fockmeeard, 22.01.2014 at 13:03

Γραμμένο από VRIL, 22.01.2014 at 10:54

Γραμμένο από Fockmeeard, 17.01.2014 at 12:53

Great, so why don't you kick all the other players who sit for 30 turns and spam units they are given at each other for SP. When a player rouges as UN and attacks everybody with the units given to him, you can't say that is SP farming when every single player that engages in war does the same exact thing.

Whether you rouge or play the game as it's suppose to be played, UN is nothing but a huge SP farming machine.

Technically it falls under our definition of a SP farming map or scenario. But the majority of the players enjoy this map for its roleplaying aspects and not to farm SP or medals. So in the current situation there is no need for us to intervene and ban that whole map.

Ok, sweet. I'll play UN as a roleplayer and attack everybody first turn and get SP because TECHNICALLY I'm roleplaying as a corrupt UN that has an agenda to take over the world, not to farm SP.

Agreed

Also agreed.

Γραμμένο από Guest, 22.01.2014 at 13:31

Γραμμένο από KYBL, 22.01.2014 at 13:15

Γραμμένο από Fockmeeard, 22.01.2014 at 13:03

Γραμμένο από VRIL, 22.01.2014 at 10:54

Γραμμένο από Fockmeeard, 17.01.2014 at 12:53

Great, so why don't you kick all the other players who sit for 30 turns and spam units they are given at each other for SP. When a player rouges as UN and attacks everybody with the units given to him, you can't say that is SP farming when every single player that engages in war does the same exact thing.

Whether you rouge or play the game as it's suppose to be played, UN is nothing but a huge SP farming machine.

Technically it falls under our definition of a SP farming map or scenario. But the majority of the players enjoy this map for its roleplaying aspects and not to farm SP or medals. So in the current situation there is no need for us to intervene and ban that whole map.

Ok, sweet. I'll play UN as a roleplayer and attack everybody first turn and get SP because TECHNICALLY I'm roleplaying as a corrupt UN that has an agenda to take over the world, not to farm SP.

Agreed

Also agreed.

Wow. I'm gonna have to agree with this one.

Γραμμένο από Fockmeeard, 22.01.2014 at 13:03

Γραμμένο από VRIL, 22.01.2014 at 10:54

Γραμμένο από Fockmeeard, 17.01.2014 at 12:53

Great, so why don't you kick all the other players who sit for 30 turns and spam units they are given at each other for SP. When a player rouges as UN and attacks everybody with the units given to him, you can't say that is SP farming when every single player that engages in war does the same exact thing.

Whether you rouge or play the game as it's suppose to be played, UN is nothing but a huge SP farming machine.

Technically it falls under our definition of a SP farming map or scenario. But the majority of the players enjoy this map for its roleplaying aspects and not to farm SP or medals. So in the current situation there is no need for us to intervene and ban that whole map.

Ok, sweet. I'll play UN as a roleplayer and attack everybody first turn and get SP because TECHNICALLY I'm roleplaying as a corrupt UN that has an agenda to take over the world, not to farm SP.

Normally if you RP you do so to the pre determined rules though, which for that particular RP is that the UN is a peaceful force that intervenes only when necessary, that is group consensus so TECHNICALLY you are trolling the game intentionally by going against this. Imagine roleplaying cops and robbers and suddenly deciding you are a corrupt policeman who joins the criminals to rob a store, defies the point of the RP lol.

Anybody who is supporting clear trolling of games for some ill advised sense of justice are wrong, you troll games for what? so that the guys that enjoy RP will play EU or World map instead? Guess what they will just make another one and all you will have done is been an idiot and wasted peoples time. I don't see it as an SP farm, a lot of large map scenarios give you excess starting troops and have the same effect.

Γραμμένο από Tik-Tok, 18.01.2014 at 02:05

Γραμμένο από b0nker2, 16.01.2014 at 18:44

First part is clearly unenforceable, even if my name was on banned list what could stop me from making the map and playing it?

Oh, there are ways.

Apart from withdrawing the map or writing a name on a visible list, 1st one helps no-one 2nd one I just change my name each day.

Γραμμένο από b0nker2, 24.01.2014 at 06:55

Γραμμένο από Tik-Tok, 18.01.2014 at 02:05

Γραμμένο από b0nker2, 16.01.2014 at 18:44

First part is clearly unenforceable, even if my name was on banned list what could stop me from making the map and playing it?

Oh, there are ways.

Apart from withdrawing the map or writing a name on a visible list, 1st one helps no-one 2nd one I just change my name each day.

And alts

Γραμμένο από b0nker2, 24.01.2014 at 06:44

Γραμμένο από Fockmeeard, 22.01.2014 at 13:03

Γραμμένο από VRIL, 22.01.2014 at 10:54

Γραμμένο από Fockmeeard, 17.01.2014 at 12:53

Great, so why don't you kick all the other players who sit for 30 turns and spam units they are given at each other for SP. When a player rouges as UN and attacks everybody with the units given to him, you can't say that is SP farming when every single player that engages in war does the same exact thing.

Whether you rouge or play the game as it's suppose to be played, UN is nothing but a huge SP farming machine.

Technically it falls under our definition of a SP farming map or scenario. But the majority of the players enjoy this map for its roleplaying aspects and not to farm SP or medals. So in the current situation there is no need for us to intervene and ban that whole map.

Ok, sweet. I'll play UN as a roleplayer and attack everybody first turn and get SP because TECHNICALLY I'm roleplaying as a corrupt UN that has an agenda to take over the world, not to farm SP.

Normally if you RP you do so to the pre determined rules though, which for that particular RP is that the UN is a peaceful force that intervenes only when necessary, that is group consensus so TECHNICALLY you are trolling the game intentionally by going against this. Imagine roleplaying cops and robbers and suddenly deciding you are a corrupt policeman who joins the criminals to rob a store, defies the point of the RP lol.

Anybody who is supporting clear trolling of games for some ill advised sense of justice are wrong, you troll games for what? so that the guys that enjoy RP will play EU or World map instead? Guess what they will just make another one and all you will have done is been an idiot and wasted peoples time. I don't see it as an SP farm, a lot of large map scenarios give you excess starting troops and have the same effect.

If that is true, then why can Germany form the Third Reich if he so chose to do? Why can Russia form the soviet Union? Why can people fight over Syria? These all go against the theory of keeping peace within all nations. Think about WWII scenario. People roleplay, but you never see anybody just forfeit the game just to go along with history, right? Sometimes you see Russia lose, Germany cap USA, France take over all of Africa, exc. There are no rules to roleplaying. Everybody in their head has their own vision of roleplaying in games.

This topic is about roleplaying and SP farming, not the subject of trolling so I don't understand why you wrote that last paragraph.

Γραμμένο από b0nker2, 24.01.2014 at 06:55

Apart from withdrawing the map or writing a name on a visible list, 1st one helps no-one 2nd one I just change my name each day.

First one works when an incentive for bad admins is given. The second one is solved since I save the profile link of each banned player and usually update name changes. Seeing as trolls prefer not to use their main accounts, they tend to use lower ranks which don't have the same amount of SP to burn through to change a name each day. On a rare occasion, the community allows a player to slip through the cracks on purpose, if caught, everyone is punished, but if the player is good enough to be accepted to the point where they feel the player wont break any rules, then its no major issue. Order is still maintained. The system works.

The system has even created some decent players like JUGERS who started out as a consistent and annoying rulebreaker who wallfucked, entered territory and generally trolled. Now he doesn't, he's improved as a player, he's apologized for his previous rulebreaking and he reports other rulebreakers. There are others like him. The system hasn't just maintained some sembelence of order, it's improved players by providing incentives for them not to break the rules which forced them to actually learn in both skill, and our unsung boundaries.

You cannot just leave an Ultimate game unless you want to be reported and known by all that you will ruin the game. I rarely unpublish and the last time was nearly a month ago but people still remember. As long as they understand, they'll keep order. I'm very proud of them from time to time even if I dont show it.

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If that is true, then why can Germany form the Third Reich if he so chose to do? Why can Russia form the soviet Union? Why can people fight over Syria? These all go against the theory of keeping peace within all nations. Think about WWII scenario. People roleplay, but you never see anybody just forfeit the game just to go along with history, right? Sometimes you see Russia lose, Germany cap USA, France take over all of Africa, exc. There are no rules to roleplaying. Everybody in their head has their own vision of roleplaying in games.

This topic is about roleplaying and SP farming, not the subject of trolling so I don't understand why you wrote that last paragraph.

The topic is about why tophats kicked the guy from the game.... which I don't actually think was for farming at all, it was IMO for ruining the enjoyment of others within the game, his justification is that he doesn't do it for SP he does it for 'justice'. So no it's not about farming or role playing at all, it is about one guy ruining the game for others, and you seem to be supporting that?

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Γραμμένο από b0nker2, 24.01.2014 at 10:15

If that is true, then why can Germany form the Third Reich if he so chose to do? Why can Russia form the soviet Union? Why can people fight over Syria? These all go against the theory of keeping peace within all nations. Think about WWII scenario. People roleplay, but you never see anybody just forfeit the game just to go along with history, right? Sometimes you see Russia lose, Germany cap USA, France take over all of Africa, exc. There are no rules to roleplaying. Everybody in their head has their own vision of roleplaying in games.

This topic is about roleplaying and SP farming, not the subject of trolling so I don't understand why you wrote that last paragraph.

The topic is about why tophats kicked the guy from the game.... which I don't actually think was for farming at all, it was IMO for ruining the enjoyment of others within the game, his justification is that he doesn't do it for SP he does it for 'justice'. So no it's not about farming or role playing at all, it is about one guy ruining the game for others, and you seem to be supporting that?

Ally-fags ruin my game too, why can't mods kick players that ally-fag and try to kill my empire that was formed with blood.

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The topic is about why tophats kicked the guy from the game.... which I don't actually think was for farming at all, it was IMO for ruining the enjoyment of others within the game, his justification is that he doesn't do it for SP he does it for 'justice'. So no it's not about farming or role playing at all, it is about one guy ruining the game for others, and you seem to be supporting that?

Ally-fags ruin my game too, why can't mods kick players that ally-fag and try to kill my empire that was formed with blood.

Simple answer, ally fagging does not break any rules, only ethics. Intentionally trolling games breaks both.