Ukraine fired upon Russian convoy entering Ukranian territory. Russia claims it was aid, Ukraine claims it was arms. Hard to tell, the trucks looked pretty empty on inspection as if they had been cleared out. Then again, Russia sneaks in arms without requiring known convoy. It could have been aid.
Regardless, its caused very high tensions and minor crashes in stocks. Some precit WW3 by Sunday, I doubt it. Its still a very tense situation.
The Azov battalion were the ones who fired upon the convoy.
>Based Azov
>With genuine National Socialist symbolism
>tfw Fascists and Nationalists across Europe using Ukraine for combat experience like Jihadis in Syria
>inb4 commie jabba the hurtbutt.
I see, everyone wants to flee from Israel, even palestinians. Its so bad there that they dont want to leave gaza even if Israel bomb them. Americans, germans, english,russians are going to Israel to live and work, yeah, very cruel and poor country because jews control it.
the funny fact is when the negotiation started and there was a talking about giving giving arab regions to the control of palestinian authority in order to keep settelments, the israeli arabs protested and said they don't want to live under the control of the palestinian authority and they want their region, "the triangle", to stay under israeli control, they prefer the so called cruel jews on the muslim radicals who used their people like a cattle.
no, i'm giving up, i dont want to talk to someone using statistics without even analizing them and just saying: this is like this because of this!
without proof or anything
Government policy, legislation and police statements are lies? Statistical facts are lies? GTFO of here.
the death of the polish government was an accident
>accident
>video footage of wreckage with clean up crew executing survivors
>Russia refused to give bodies back
>demanded close caskets
And who took the footage?
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Author of the video seen by everyone by now has been stabbed near Kijow on 4.15 and transported in critical condition to the hospital in Kijow. On 4.16 three unidentified individuals unplugged him from life support system and stabbed him 3 more times. Andrij was prenounced dead that afternoon. Russian government claims it was a coincidence.
Just an accident that the government that refused the biggest gas deal in history dies over Russian soil. Just a coincidence that the replacement government accepts the deal and buries the event.
Poland says it was an accident and doesnt blame Russia. If archenemy claim that, then it must be true.
Yep, totally true. Nothing to see here, goyim. One government refuses a dela and die, the other instantly accepts it and buries the event despite overwhelming evidence of foul play.
Never one man or one tribe led whole USSR, it was always decided and planned how to lead USSR on meetings where everyone had a right to speak and vote.
But they did. They were the leadership and the enforcers. Thats totla control. I already showed this, there is ample more evidence of this. Its not a tinfoil conspiracy, its a well known fact. Bolshevism was a Jewish creation. Its hierarchy was Jewish with minimal gentiles in control. They were less than 3.5% of the population but controlled 80% of head positions and were voer a third of the enforcers. OVER A THIRD. That is HUGE. Thats a significant portion of the male Jewish population carrying out forced starvation and murder and an unseen scale.
That is a single tribe dominating and removing tribal enemies.
That was perfect politics, and maybe because of that you are jealous of communism and soviet union.
Perfect politics? TO exterminate christians and destroy Russian culture? To starve millions and carry out mass executions and general enslavement of the people you claim to be liberating?
What the fuck are you smoking?
Also you might be jealous cause of giant USSR and Russia, as you call it ''little shithole'' all the time
Russian people built Russia. Despite the mass exterminations carried out by Jewish bolsheviks, they still built a nation. To this day, they and msot of Eastern Europe still suffers under the yoke of Jewish oligarchy.
Look at the effects of Communism. Look at the rate of Aids, crime and abortion. Communism turned Russia into a shithole. Even after 20 years, it still depends entirely upon its resources.
Thats german propaganda, jews never controled USSR as totalitarst leaders, but as fairly elected administrators. Russia never hurt jewish population so they mixed up with russians through centuries. Germany used that as a pretext to invade USSR and kill all russians ''because jews run their state''.
How is that propoganda? So Lenin is German propoganda? None of these people were Jewish? Give me a break, mate. You can splutter "PROPOGANDA" all you like, its fact. Written in History, well documented. Soviets were invading Eastern Europe, they planned to invade Germany. Germany struck first.
I see, everyone wants to flee from Israel, even palestinians. Its so bad there that they dont want to leave gaza even if Israel bomb them. Americans, germans, english,russians are going to Israel to live and work, yeah, very cruel and poor country because jews control it.
Now you are shilling for Israel? HA HA. People in Gaza CANT leave. They are unable to. Israel literally doesnt let them, those that do manage to leave can NEVER EVER return. Gaze is the most densely populated area on the planet with no access to trade and no ability to emigrate. They consider it their land, why should they leave to let Jews settle their land?
All those nationalities you mentioned. Those are ALL Jews. Good luck getting citizenship as a gentile In Israel. Its also illegal for a gentile to marry a jew even if that Jew is an atheist. Jews must prove lineage, covnersion isnt enough.
the funny fact is when the negotiation started and there was a talking about giving giving arab regions to the control of palestinian authority in order to keep settelments, the israeli arabs protested and said they don't want to live under the control of the palestinian authority and they want their region, "the triangle", to stay under israeli control, they prefer the so called cruel jews on the muslim radicals who used their people like a cattle.
Shabbos Goyim. Untrustworthy. About as valid as Hamas which is another controlled opposition that does the bidding of its Zionist masters.
no, i'm giving up, i dont want to talk to someone using statistics without even analizing them and just saying: this is like this because of this!
without proof or anything
Government policy, legislation and police statements are lies? Statistical facts are lies? GTFO of here.
statistics are sometimes lies, i dont find your source very reliable, but the most important fact is one i have to explain:
conlclusing that, because you eat more since you don't drink your mothers milk anymore, obviously real food is healthier isnt a real conclusion, oviously.
and the same problem often appears with populists and nationalists. many of you guys say that "races" have an effect on the intelligience of a man because of these charts that show that for example african people have an lower IQ than europeans. But at the same time the countries with lower IQs also have lower wealth, happieness, healthcare and a worse educational system. Things that have way more effect on the IQ of a man, than "races".
That is how statistics make us belive things that are lies, because people see them as 100% prooven.
and yes, peolice statements are often lies. overall if some unrelieable source shows them, not inclusing all reasons for something.
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Tito, then who starved Ukraine, sent people tl the gulags and thst crap?
Tik, USSR was a athiest country with religion banned, although many people secretly became religious. So why didnt the jews levalize religion if thry are jewish?
Tito, then who starved Ukraine, sent people tl the gulags and thst crap?
Tik, USSR was a athiest country with religion banned, although many people secretly became religious. So why didnt the jews levalize religion if thry are jewish?
For the 10th time: Nature starved Soviet Union(not only socialist ukraine), yields werent enough as expected because winter was very cold and seed was weak, it happens, it isnt human fault. Similar happened in United States in same year, dust storms, destroyed crop fields so millions americans starved. Both countries had famine in that time.
Government of Soviet Union sent criminal to Gulags, gulags were prisons just like any other, but difference was gulags were far away from towns, in remote areas of Siberia, Ural and Far East. In both prisons(normal and gulag) prisoners had to work. Gulag was not a concentration camp, only Germany and Croatia had concentration camps.
United States still have up to this very day labor prisons, usually juvenile jail because you can easily scare them and force to work. They are making all kinds of stuff, then prison sell that to retail companies. We dont have evindences if those children are recieving salary or atleast have humane working hour. In any case - it is forbidden to force children to work before they are 18, if they are younger then thats a crime and should be sued.
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Communist Party of the Soviet Union was atheist and promoted atheism, not all party members were atheist... i was in the party and i am christian. No one oppressed me but i recieved a ''warning'' not to be seen going to church when i was promoted to chairman of regional committee. Still i went to church and thousand people saw me(christmass, easter), nothing happened. If USSR was like you haters describe it, that mean i wouldnt be alive today as i would probably be dead in 1980 because i was christian and because i didnt obey the party.
Around 80% soviets were religious, 20% atheist after 74 years of the Soviet Union.
Collective farming started the starvation, people couldnt work on their own farms. Soviet Union sent innocent peopleto jail for not liking socialism. You spew lies, Tito
False image again; West had more material wealth but less knowledge while East had less money but was richer in knowledge.
My wage was 140 rubles, flight from Moscow to Vladivostok cost 36 rubles and you didnt had to worry about terrorist attacks.
Today you need 450,000 rubles to pay flight and your wage is 500,000R, thats capitalist inflation where finances cannot be controled = wild capitalism which comes from the wild west.
words can no describe the bullshit involved in this, the price goes up because rubels are now meaningless, its like 10000 rubels to get 1 american dollar, the money system is all broken so listing prices over a long period of time doesnt work when the whole value of a ruble has changed. Also the East wasnt "richer in knowledge" that is just bad propoganda you are trying to impose on people, Americans created Atomic Bomb first, west was moderenized in army first, first to create modern democracy and move past the moncarchy system, the West had so many more knowledgable advancements that Russia is left in the dust.
Collective farming started the starvation, people couldnt work on their own farms. Soviet Union sent innocent peopleto jail for not liking socialism. You spew lies, Tito
Soviet Union made collective farms ''kolkhozes'' by taking all the private land from nobility and tsar, and peasants, but they didnt owned much. That mean peasants could produce more food for all, use state tractors, horses, wagons to transport and work, speed up advancement and not struggle with primitive tools like medieval peasants. Some peasants didnt want to work there, so they either moved to the city to work in factories or they died from hunger, their choice and free will to decide.
You are troll but you fail to troll me.
Except you ignore what really happened, the government seized lands and divided them up among farmers despite the actual land itself, those who opposed to give all their crops and profits to the USSR had their farms burned and destroyed, it wasnt peaceful and it did not benefit the people at all.
False image again; West had more material wealth but less knowledge while East had less money but was richer in knowledge.
My wage was 140 rubles, flight from Moscow to Vladivostok cost 36 rubles and you didnt had to worry about terrorist attacks.
Today you need 450,000 rubles to pay flight and your wage is 500,000R, thats capitalist inflation where finances cannot be controled = wild capitalism which comes from the wild west.
words can no describe the bullshit involved in this, the price goes up because rubels are now meaningless, its like 10000 rubels to get 1 american dollar, the money system is all broken so listing prices over a long period of time doesnt work when the whole value of a ruble has changed. Also the East wasnt "richer in knowledge" that is just bad propoganda you are trying to impose on people, Americans created Atomic Bomb first, west was moderenized in army first, first to create modern democracy and move past the moncarchy system, the West had so many more knowledgable advancements that Russia is left in the dust.
Lolsto,about 31 or 32 rubles for dollar. And the non-monarchies the west had werent true ones always and can be shit.
words can no describe the bullshit involved in this, the price goes up because rubels are now meaningless, its like 10000 rubels to get 1 american dollar, the money system is all broken so listing prices over a long period of time doesnt work when the whole value of a ruble has changed. Also the East wasnt "richer in knowledge" that is just bad propoganda you are trying to impose on people, Americans created Atomic Bomb first, west was moderenized in army first, first to create modern democracy and move past the moncarchy system, the West had so many more knowledgable advancements that Russia is left in the dust.
East was always richer in knowledge. China, then Japan and now Russia. German Jew created atomic bomb in America, not americans, well i need definition ''west modernized army'' because chinese used gunpowder 2000 years before america and india used rockets 1000 years before china. West moved past monarchy system? Then why are denmark, norway, sweden, holland, belgium, england, spain, monacco, luxemburg, lichenstain still monarchies?
Soviet Union alone created nuke, space program, modern missiles, special steel for rockets and tanks, engines, planes, while West share innovations so all can make progress, without sharing west would be backwarded. Dont forget USA took nazi scientists to make US technology, and bought Yugoslav Space Program so they could enter space race while Soviet Union was first in space, first man in space although they fought alone in WW2 where they lost 27 million people, alone rebuilt Ukrainian and Byelorussian SSR and alone created space program and nuclear program, and alone created strongest army in Cold War.
That makes Soviet Union the ultimate winner.
lol this is the funniest shit ive ever heard, you referred to Russia as the east and now you focus on china just great! Modern Army doesnt mean 2000 years ago, 2000 years ago there wasnt tanks and bombers and shit so obv that is pure bs. Yes, scientists who fled nazi germany came to usa and russia and created atomic bomb (first in usa). Monarchy was referring to the style of government, in England, Holland, Spain, Belgium, and Sweden (ones i know for sure) the monarchy has no real power and is just a celebrity and really cant do shit to the policies of the government, the others you listed like monacco are so small and useless i have no idea what they do lel.
I dont see how you think that working together is bad, since that is communism, yes the west worked together which is why they are much stronger in alliance than russia is with anyone but iran. You didnt fight ww2 on your own stop trying to think you are the only ones here, that is why the world has always viewed russia as weak because they dont have the balls to admit they cant do everything on their own, and you didnt. If hitler wasnt fighting UK and USA in 1942-1945, the Soviet Union wouldve been crushed without a doubt, and the same goes the other way, usa wouldnt have won without russia. Also Soviet Union wasnt strongest army in Cold War, in a number sense they had more men but that didnt mean they were more experienced or had better weapons, which they didnt, usa had more advanced tanks and weaponry against more russian men but you cant claim Russia was stronger, and why does that matter at all, the war never happened so its not like you can claim it mattered
Except you ignore what really happened, the government seized lands and divided them up among farmers despite the actual land itself, those who opposed to give all their crops and profits to the USSR had their farms burned and destroyed, it wasnt peaceful and it did not benefit the people at all.
Nobility and lords were killed if they didnt give their land, kulaks as well(rich peasants). Ordinary people had more income in food and money in collectivization, because state had tractors to use, while peasants had horses and donkeys, state had better and cheaper seeds, had warehouses to stock all products, and had a market to sell all that and had trains to transport all that to the market. So my job as a peasants was only to work as much as i want on that state farm, other comrades will take that to the store and commissar would pay me in money or in food, its up to me to decide. To work on state farm i had everything at disposal, tractor, horses, train, truck, help from comrades or if i wanted to research about the seed so i can plant it more efficiently i would go to the agricultural institute and get informations for free.
Thats why Russian Empire never achieved superpower status for 1000 years of existence, thats why United States didnt achieve superpower status for 200 years. Soviet Union achieved superpower status for only 20 years.
System was so good that even China adopted it, communism gave them nuke, permanent seat in UN council, space program, free healthcare and education, good infrastructure, third strongest army and they are about to surpass USA and become 1#. 21st and 22nd century is theirs.
this is so stupid, Russian Empire was built from nothing, same with America, Soviet Union was literally already an Empire who just switched political ideals and laws, you cant say that Soviet Union became super power in 20 years when Russian Empire was a super power the year that Soviet Union just took it all over, also you are forgeting you had tons of funding from USA and West to help you after the war, so yes ofc you succeeded in way different conditions.
EDIT: Also i thought of this, there was no industralization back 200 years ago for russia or usa so obviously USSR became powerful when it had so many people and the advancements that no one else had 200 years ago, kinda hard to compare a gun from 1700 and a gun from 1950, obviously you see which is gonna preform better
lol this is the funniest shit ive ever heard, you referred to Russia as the east and now you focus on china just great! Modern Army doesnt mean 2000 years ago, 2000 years ago there wasnt tanks and bombers and shit so obv that is pure bs. Yes, scientists who fled nazi germany came to usa and russia and created atomic bomb (first in usa). Monarchy was referring to the style of government, in England, Holland, Spain, Belgium, and Sweden (ones i know for sure) the monarchy has no real power and is just a celebrity and really cant do shit to the policies of the government, the others you listed like monacco are so small and useless i have no idea what they do lel.
I dont see how you think that working together is bad, since that is communism, yes the west worked together which is why they are much stronger in alliance than russia is with anyone but iran. You didnt fight ww2 on your own stop trying to think you are the only ones here, that is why the world has always viewed russia as weak because they dont have the balls to admit they cant do everything on their own, and you didnt. If hitler wasnt fighting UK and USA in 1942-1945, the Soviet Union wouldve been crushed without a doubt, and the same goes the other way, usa wouldnt have won without russia. Also Soviet Union wasnt strongest army in Cold War, in a number sense they had more men but that didnt mean they were more experienced or had better weapons, which they didnt, usa had more advanced tanks and weaponry against more russian men but you cant claim Russia was stronger, and why does that matter at all, the war never happened so its not like you can claim it mattered
Soviet Union did fight alone and won Germany. Wehrmacht was stoppped in 7th december 1941 at Moscow, germans couldnt advance further and could just watch and freeze to death or retreat, they chose to stay and watch, Red Army regrouped and strike at Stalingrad, won and counter-attacked till Berlin, war was won.
USSR had better technology although they invented it alone. Better rockets, better space programs, stronger tanks, better assault rifle, better artillery, advanced jet fighter, stronger and faster submarines, stronger nukes and much more.
Thats why i have fun when i watch american channels and see how they brag and claim everything ''made in usa'' is 1#, so cute.
Though i dont like to brag, we slavs dont brag, we act. We prove our point in practice, not theory, not with words. Irak invaded Kuwait - USA invaded Irak, now you claim Russia invaded Ukraine, so come save Ukraine, i invite you. Russia ''invade'' Crimea 4 months ago, why are you still not coming to liberate Ukraine? Cmon do it, declare war on Russia, lets battle commence and winner will say how it was in the war. Lets see who would win, NATO or Russia, bring all 30 mini-states of europe and their armies of 5,000 volunteers. If you win, then you can claim superiority over Russia, and if i survive i will admit and bow down to you.
Ill skip the bullshit to the end bc you are just trying to restate lies to make Russia look amazing and the best when it wasnt the only Ally in ww2, talk about ego, slavs dont brag but you think usa and uk didnt even fight in the war, that is true arrogance, hitler shouldve finished this and whipped you all out (jk lel).
United States invaded Iraq to liberate Kuwait, our ally and biggest oil supporter, and to prevent them from creating nuclear and chemical weapons, this doesnt have anything to do with Ukraine. However, I think the situation can be solved through diplomacy, and I think right now this is what is being done, dont compare things when you dont know what happened in Iraq, Kuwait called to America for aid, we were wanted, the second time we went back wasnt necessary and I dont agree with how the US President decided to do it, but Ukraine has showed no signs that it wants America in the war, if Russia wants to commit mass murder to become an Imperialistic State a wish them luck because there will be many rebels against them and I cant help but agree with what they will want, but for now the situation is just cock-showing to see who will do what, sanctions v small actions.
lol this is the funniest shit ive ever heard, you referred to Russia as the east and now you focus on china just great! Modern Army doesnt mean 2000 years ago, 2000 years ago there wasnt tanks and bombers and shit so obv that is pure bs. Yes, scientists who fled nazi germany came to usa and russia and created atomic bomb (first in usa). Monarchy was referring to the style of government, in England, Holland, Spain, Belgium, and Sweden (ones i know for sure) the monarchy has no real power and is just a celebrity and really cant do shit to the policies of the government, the others you listed like monacco are so small and useless i have no idea what they do lel.
I dont see how you think that working together is bad, since that is communism, yes the west worked together which is why they are much stronger in alliance than russia is with anyone but iran. You didnt fight ww2 on your own stop trying to think you are the only ones here, that is why the world has always viewed russia as weak because they dont have the balls to admit they cant do everything on their own, and you didnt. If hitler wasnt fighting UK and USA in 1942-1945, the Soviet Union wouldve been crushed without a doubt, and the same goes the other way, usa wouldnt have won without russia. Also Soviet Union wasnt strongest army in Cold War, in a number sense they had more men but that didnt mean they were more experienced or had better weapons, which they didnt, usa had more advanced tanks and weaponry against more russian men but you cant claim Russia was stronger, and why does that matter at all, the war never happened so its not like you can claim it mattered
Soviet Union did fight alone and won Germany. Wehrmacht was stoppped in 7th december 1941 at Moscow, germans couldnt advance further and could just watch and freeze to death or retreat, they chose to stay and watch, Red Army regrouped and strike at Stalingrad, won and counter-attacked till Berlin, war was won.
USSR had better technology although they invented it alone. Better rockets, better space programs, stronger tanks, better assault rifle, better artillery, advanced jet fighter, stronger and faster submarines, stronger nukes and much more.
Thats why i have fun when i watch american channels and see how they brag and claim everything ''made in usa'' is 1#, so cute.
Though i dont like to brag, we slavs dont brag, we act. We prove our point in practice, not theory, not with words. Irak invaded Kuwait - USA invaded Irak, now you claim Russia invaded Ukraine, so come save Ukraine, i invite you. Russia ''invade'' Crimea 4 months ago, why are you still not coming to liberate Ukraine? Cmon do it, declare war on Russia, lets battle commence and winner will say how it was in the war. Lets see who would win, NATO or Russia, bring all 30 mini-states of europe and their armies of 5,000 volunteers. If you win, then you can claim superiority over Russia, and if i survive i will admit and bow down to you.
Ill skip the bullshit to the end bc you are just trying to restate lies to make Russia look amazing and the best when it wasnt the only Ally in ww2, talk about ego, slavs dont brag but you think usa and uk didnt even fight in the war, that is true arrogance, hitler shouldve finished this and whipped you all out (jk lel).
United States invaded Iraq to liberate Kuwait, our ally and biggest oil supporter, and to prevent them from creating nuclear and chemical weapons, this doesnt have anything to do with Ukraine. However, I think the situation can be solved through diplomacy, and I think right now this is what is being done, dont compare things when you dont know what happened in Iraq, Kuwait called to America for aid, we were wanted, the second time we went back wasnt necessary and I dont agree with how the US President decided to do it, but Ukraine has showed no signs that it wants America in the war, if Russia wants to commit mass murder to become an Imperialistic State a wish them luck because there will be many rebels against them and I cant help but agree with what they will want, but for now the situation is just cock-showing to see who will do what, sanctions v small actions.
godamnit marcus, seriously stop representing the west in these discussions.You are ridiculing not only your self, but all of us.i cant decide if your post or Tito's is more retarded.And thats all kinds of bad.
Being biased and closeminded as a Russian, is kinda ok, because you have to take into account how these people grew up and the wounds communism left in the soul of this country and its people.All the indoctrination,propaganda and pressure they got and still get to this day.But being ignorant and biased as an american is fucking inexcusable.You share freedom of everything, you had internet, books and lived in a fully modernized and culturally forward society since the day you were born.You should know better.
You say USA invaded Iraq for wmd.Iraq didnt have nuclear weapons.That is a prooven lie.So why do you repeat a proven lie?What does that make you?Liar,cheater,deceiver,misleader.As for chemicals, Usa is the first, biggest and most frequent user of chemical weapons in the world, how do you dare talk about them.Also, it was Usa who provided Iraq with chemical weapons in the first place, wasnt it?Yeah the word here is hypocrite.As for the "liberate" Iraq, thats laughable.Just read, its not so hard.While you are at it, read what USA high ranking army officers said about Iraq also and why it happened.
godamnit marcus, seriously stop representing the west in these discussions.You are ridiculing not only your self, but all of us.i cant decide if your post or Tito's is more retarded.And thats all kinds of bad.
Being biased and closeminded as a Russian, is kinda ok, because you have to take into account how these people grew up and the wounds communism left in the soul of this country and its people.All the indoctrination,propaganda and pressure they got and still get to this day.But being ignorant and biased as an american is fucking inexcusable.You share freedom of everything, you had internet, books and lived in a fully modernized and culturally forward society since the day you were born.You should know better.
You say USA invaded Iraq for wmd.Iraq didnt have nuclear weapons.That is a prooven lie.So why do you repeat a proven lie?What does that make you?Liar,cheater,deceiver,misleader.As for chemicals, Usa is the first, biggest and most frequent user of chemical weapons in the world, how do you dare talk about them.Also, it was Usa who provided Iraq with chemical weapons in the first place, wasnt it?Yeah the word here is hypocrite.As for the "liberate" Iraq, thats laughable.Just read, its not so hard.While you are at it, read what USA high ranking army officers said about Iraq also and why it happened.
Ok lets break down this bullshit, i never said there were wmd, i said that was the reason for the 2nd Gulf War, if you could read english you would know. The First Gulf War was for a legit reason, to liberate Kuwait, learn some real facts b4 you go trying to talkshit about america. you can bitch all you want but it doesnt change what actually happened, not what your bullshit mouth spews all over a forum that has nothing to do with this.
godamnit marcus, seriously stop representing the west in these discussions.You are ridiculing not only your self, but all of us.i cant decide if your post or Tito's is more retarded.And thats all kinds of bad.
Being biased and closeminded as a Russian, is kinda ok, because you have to take into account how these people grew up and the wounds communism left in the soul of this country and its people.All the indoctrination,propaganda and pressure they got and still get to this day.But being ignorant and biased as an american is fucking inexcusable.You share freedom of everything, you had internet, books and lived in a fully modernized and culturally forward society since the day you were born.You should know better.
You say USA invaded Iraq for wmd.Iraq didnt have nuclear weapons.That is a prooven lie.So why do you repeat a proven lie?What does that make you?Liar,cheater,deceiver,misleader.As for chemicals, Usa is the first, biggest and most frequent user of chemical weapons in the world, how do you dare talk about them.Also, it was Usa who provided Iraq with chemical weapons in the first place, wasnt it?Yeah the word here is hypocrite.As for the "liberate" Iraq, thats laughable.Just read, its not so hard.While you are at it, read what USA high ranking army officers said about Iraq also and why it happened.
Ok lets break down this bullshit, i never said there were wmd, i said that was the reason for the 2nd Gulf War, if you could read english you would know. The First Gulf War was for a legit reason, to liberate Kuwait, learn some real facts b4 you go trying to talkshit about america. you can bitch all you want but it doesnt change what actually happened, not what your bullshit mouth spews all over a forum that has nothing to do with this.
ok lets try this again.if you think u gonna bullshit your way around with me and get away with it, like you do with Tito, then you are crazy.
United States invaded Iraq to liberate Kuwait, our ally and biggest oil supporter, and to prevent them from creating nuclear and chemical weapons
no they invaded cause scared shitless of Sadam, who had power,army, oil and you could not control him.kuwait is a made up country.Its your creation.You made it after ww1 to have a port there.Your ally and oil supporter would be Saudi Arabia, who Sadam threatened after Kuwait.And yes Kuwait had oil which you wanted.And that oil was not importand in terms of import bill cause it accounts for roughly 5% of your total consumption, but could have many many many other economic changes.Not to mention you theoretically created the war.Used Kuwait and Saudi to mess oil prices in Iraq and fuck with Sadam, your once bestie.he owed so much money after Iran and you fucked with his economy, leaving him no other real choice.Im not saying that subhuman is a saint but dont try to make this seem like an honorable act of liberation.
So what makes it legit?What part of being an imperialistic cunt of a country, meddling with everybodies business, stealing natural resources and attacking whoever you want in the planet, is legit?You should be ashamed of ALL intervention from the United States in Middle East and keep your mouth shut.And since when do you care about liberatring people?Why dont u liberate people in the so many African countries?You copuldnt give more shits about liberating anything, all you care is your interests and your precious oil and keeping rebellious powers down, so theres order in your "world".So dont bullshit me..Anyway not only did u spend alot of money for the gulf war, but you failed to remove Sadam.You couldnt kill him and you couldnt control him and he was still powerfull.Oil as a cherry on top.2nd gulf war.Not for wmd.That was lies and propaganda used by your government.
godamnit marcus, seriously stop representing the west in these discussions.You are ridiculing not only your self, but all of us.i cant decide if your post or Tito's is more retarded.And thats all kinds of bad.
Being biased and closeminded as a Russian, is kinda ok, because you have to take into account how these people grew up and the wounds communism left in the soul of this country and its people.All the indoctrination,propaganda and pressure they got and still get to this day.But being ignorant and biased as an american is fucking inexcusable.You share freedom of everything, you had internet, books and lived in a fully modernized and culturally forward society since the day you were born.You should know better.
You say USA invaded Iraq for wmd.Iraq didnt have nuclear weapons.That is a prooven lie.So why do you repeat a proven lie?What does that make you?Liar,cheater,deceiver,misleader.As for chemicals, Usa is the first, biggest and most frequent user of chemical weapons in the world, how do you dare talk about them.Also, it was Usa who provided Iraq with chemical weapons in the first place, wasnt it?Yeah the word here is hypocrite.As for the "liberate" Iraq, thats laughable.Just read, its not so hard.While you are at it, read what USA high ranking army officers said about Iraq also and why it happened.
Ok lets break down this bullshit, i never said there were wmd, i said that was the reason for the 2nd Gulf War, if you could read english you would know. The First Gulf War was for a legit reason, to liberate Kuwait, learn some real facts b4 you go trying to talkshit about america. you can bitch all you want but it doesnt change what actually happened, not what your bullshit mouth spews all over a forum that has nothing to do with this.
ok lets try this again.if you think u gonna bullshit your way around with me and get away with it, like you do with Tito, then you are crazy.
United States invaded Iraq to liberate Kuwait, our ally and biggest oil supporter, and to prevent them from creating nuclear and chemical weapons
no they invaded cause scared shitless of Sadam, who had power,army, oil and you could not control him.kuwait is a made up country.Its your creation.You made it after ww1 to have a port there.Your ally and oil supporter would be Saudi Arabia, who Sadam threatened after Kuwait.And yes Kuwait had oil which you wanted.And that oil was not importand in terms of import bill cause it accounts for roughly 5% of your total consumption, but could have many many many other economic changes.Not to mention you theoretically created the war.Used Kuwait and Saudi to mess oil prices in Iraq and fuck with Sadam, your once bestie.he owed so much money after Iran and you fucked with his economy, leaving him no other real choice.Im not saying that subhuman is a saint but dont try to make this seem like an honorable act of liberation.
So what makes it legit?What part of being an imperialistic cunt of a country, meddling with everybodies business, stealing natural resources and attacking whoever you want in the planet, is legit?You should be ashamed of ALL intervention from the United States in Middle East and keep your mouth shut.And since when do you care about liberatring people?Why dont u liberate people in the so many African countries?You copuldnt give more shits about liberating anything, all you care is your interests and your precious oil and keeping rebellious powers down, so theres order in your "world".So dont bullshit me..Anyway not only did u spend alot of money for the gulf war, but you failed to remove Sadam.You couldnt kill him and you couldnt control him and he was still powerfull.Oil as a cherry on top.2nd gulf war.Not for wmd.That was lies and propaganda used by your government.
last i checked.... it was the british and french that divided up the middle east into mandates (colonies). in fact, i've heard how america did shit in WWI but never how america took control of the middle east. iraq invaded kuwait and threatened saudi arabia.... if saddam had seized saudi arabias oil fields he would have controlled roughly 40 percent of the oil produced in the middle east. furthermore, it was saddam hussein who invaded iran first and started the longest conventional war of the 20th century. a million people died and if you didnt know this, yeah chemical weapons were used. not only that, but operation dessert shield which main goal was to set up a defensive line for saudi arabia was not done by just america but by the UN so again, this assumption that we are imperial cunts is wrong. lastly, iraqs army did not scare us..... last i checked their strongest force, the republican guard, was decimated by us forces. and just to let you know, i have yet to hear of an american company that has been allowed to and has drilled in iraq. but sure, blame america for everything. if thats what makes you get through your day, then find, blame us for everything.
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Everyone is living a myth and it's important to know what yours is. It could be a tragedy- and maybe you don't want it to be.
no they invaded cause scared shitless of Sadam, who had power,army, oil and you could not control him.kuwait is a made up country.Its your creation.You made it after ww1 to have a port there.Your ally and oil supporter would be Saudi Arabia, who Sadam threatened after Kuwait.And yes Kuwait had oil which you wanted.And that oil was not importand in terms of import bill cause it accounts for roughly 5% of your total consumption, but could have many many many other economic changes.Not to mention you theoretically created the war.Used Kuwait and Saudi to mess oil prices in Iraq and fuck with Sadam, your once bestie.he owed so much money after Iran and you fucked with his economy, leaving him no other real choice.Im not saying that subhuman is a saint but dont try to make this seem like an honorable act of liberation.
So what makes it legit?What part of being an imperialistic cunt of a country, meddling with everybodies business, stealing natural resources and attacking whoever you want in the planet, is legit?You should be ashamed of ALL intervention from the United States in Middle East and keep your mouth shut.And since when do you care about liberatring people?Why dont u liberate people in the so many African countries?You copuldnt give more shits about liberating anything, all you care is your interests and your precious oil and keeping rebellious powers down, so theres order in your "world".So dont bullshit me..Anyway not only did u spend alot of money for the gulf war, but you failed to remove Sadam.You couldnt kill him and you couldnt control him and he was still powerfull.Oil as a cherry on top.2nd gulf war.Not for wmd.That was lies and propaganda used by your government.
lets deal with the first paragraph, Kuwait wasnt created by America, it was a british colony pre-ww1 and stayed british until after ww2 when they all started gaining independence with arab spring, had no involvement with usa other than that both were with UK so stop trying to act like we planned this for 100 years. They were invaded and to protect the people and our interests there we sent aid, they called us to help them, something you seem to ignore in every little rant you throw, when someone asks America for help, your damn right we are gonna help, now Ukraine isnt asking for US involvement and neither is the dozens of African Countries in Civil Revolt (which through UN funding USA is trying to help but its much different as its a more guerrilla/nomadic fighting than something America can actually help with). Stop trying to compare things that arent the same, because they arent.
Yes, the United States is heavily into World Affairs which I think it both productive and unproductive to our relations with the world, but as I said before if someone asks for our help against an invasion, your damn right we are gonna help. If Kebab invaded Greece and you all asked Europe to help would you want them to say "too bad it isnt our fight you can be destroyed" no that is what allies are for. We arent Imperialistic Cunts, have military power around the world doesnt make us Imperials at all. America is neither an Empire or ever looking to become one. I personally think that there was never WMD and yeah it was possible the government made it up or they just had unreliable intellgence but since we dont know no one can say who is to blame for the claims, but that doesnt mean the 1st Gulf War was over nothing, the 2nd ofc, but the 1st was real and was important to our allies in the middle east, and trying to hate on America for defending their few friends left in the world is a pathetic idea, since we handle threats to our friends easily, look at the world wars, oh wait according to Tito, America was never in the world war lol, getting side tracked. Back to something not mentioned here but brought up b4, yes America does have weapons like chemicals and nuclear weapons bc we invented them, but show me where we have used them against friendly/enemy civilians, or even anyone at all. Just because we have them doesnt mean we are using them, and if you take a look at Syria you get to see that there are many leaders in the middle east who cant handle those kind of weapons with maturity, so in Iraq we had a side goal to stop that, that is why I think usa does nothing over Syria is because of how many people bitch about Iraq on a daily basis.
godamnit marcus, seriously stop representing the west in these discussions.You are ridiculing not only your self, but all of us.i cant decide if your post or Tito's is more retarded.And thats all kinds of bad.
Being biased and closeminded as a Russian, is kinda ok, because you have to take into account how these people grew up and the wounds communism left in the soul of this country and its people.All the indoctrination,propaganda and pressure they got and still get to this day.But being ignorant and biased as an american is fucking inexcusable.You share freedom of everything, you had internet, books and lived in a fully modernized and culturally forward society since the day you were born.You should know better.
You say USA invaded Iraq for wmd.Iraq didnt have nuclear weapons.That is a prooven lie.So why do you repeat a proven lie?What does that make you?Liar,cheater,deceiver,misleader.As for chemicals, Usa is the first, biggest and most frequent user of chemical weapons in the world, how do you dare talk about them.Also, it was Usa who provided Iraq with chemical weapons in the first place, wasnt it?Yeah the word here is hypocrite.As for the "liberate" Iraq, thats laughable.Just read, its not so hard.While you are at it, read what USA high ranking army officers said about Iraq also and why it happened.
Ok lets break down this bullshit, i never said there were wmd, i said that was the reason for the 2nd Gulf War, if you could read english you would know. The First Gulf War was for a legit reason, to liberate Kuwait, learn some real facts b4 you go trying to talkshit about america. you can bitch all you want but it doesnt change what actually happened, not what your bullshit mouth spews all over a forum that has nothing to do with this.
ok lets try this again.if you think u gonna bullshit your way around with me and get away with it, like you do with Tito, then you are crazy.
United States invaded Iraq to liberate Kuwait, our ally and biggest oil supporter, and to prevent them from creating nuclear and chemical weapons
no they invaded cause scared shitless of Sadam, who had power,army, oil and you could not control him.kuwait is a made up country.Its your creation.You made it after ww1 to have a port there.Your ally and oil supporter would be Saudi Arabia, who Sadam threatened after Kuwait.And yes Kuwait had oil which you wanted.And that oil was not importand in terms of import bill cause it accounts for roughly 5% of your total consumption, but could have many many many other economic changes.Not to mention you theoretically created the war.Used Kuwait and Saudi to mess oil prices in Iraq and fuck with Sadam, your once bestie.he owed so much money after Iran and you fucked with his economy, leaving him no other real choice.Im not saying that subhuman is a saint but dont try to make this seem like an honorable act of liberation.
So what makes it legit?What part of being an imperialistic cunt of a country, meddling with everybodies business, stealing natural resources and attacking whoever you want in the planet, is legit?You should be ashamed of ALL intervention from the United States in Middle East and keep your mouth shut.And since when do you care about liberatring people?Why dont u liberate people in the so many African countries?You copuldnt give more shits about liberating anything, all you care is your interests and your precious oil and keeping rebellious powers down, so theres order in your "world".So dont bullshit me..Anyway not only did u spend alot of money for the gulf war, but you failed to remove Sadam.You couldnt kill him and you couldnt control him and he was still powerfull.Oil as a cherry on top.2nd gulf war.Not for wmd.That was lies and propaganda used by your government.
last i checked.... it was the british and french that divided up the middle east into mandates (colonies). in fact, i've heard how america did shit in WWI but never how america took control of the middle east. iraq invaded kuwait and threatened saudi arabia.... if saddam had seized saudi arabias oil fields he would have controlled roughly 40 percent of the oil produced in the middle east. furthermore, it was saddam hussein who invaded iran first and started the longest conventional war of the 20th century. a million people died and if you didnt know this, yeah chemical weapons were used. not only that, but operation dessert shield which main goal was to set up a defensive line for saudi arabia was not done by just america but by the UN so again, this assumption that we are imperial cunts is wrong. lastly, iraqs army did not scare us..... last i checked their strongest force, the republican guard, was decimated by us forces. and just to let you know, i have yet to hear of an american company that has been allowed to and has drilled in iraq. but sure, blame america for everything. if thats what makes you get through your day, then find, blame us for everything.
Sun Pin and Sun Tsu explained in their book Art of War: Use terrain and weather as your advantage. Thats what Russia is doing, you invade and we will win. But it seems United States are scared chickens, they brag how they're 1# and Russia is weak but they still are afraid to attack.
Why dont you invade USA? ...imagine that shit. American gangs alone could destroy half the invading russian force xD
...i mean cmon ...finland totaly kicked your ass when you tried invading them. Who you gona fight? pffft xD
Why would we attack? We have no interest in America because we on the east mind our own businesses. West stick their nose where it doesnt belong too.
Finland did kick soviet ass in winter war and i still feel sour because soft Stalin didnt took it. Finnish communist party begged us to destroy finnish nazis and monarchists and help them make socialist state. Yet Stalin didnt want that because he was good man and respected deal with UK and USA to help only communists in Poland, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia and Germany.
50 years later USSR and USA made deal: Cold war ends, Warsaw pact will be dissolved and NATO wont try to get ex-warsaw pact members. And look today, all warsaw pact, yugoslavia and baltic states are in NATO. USA broke their promise and thus we cant trust them anymore, they are liars.
From now on, they can come to Russia to work and invest if they want, but dont expect big agreements and deals.
You broke promises aswell, ukraine gave you all their nuclear arsenal, and you guaranted you would never touch its borders.
Stalin soft? ...for fuck sake the very meaning of Stalin is Man of Steel. Stalin a good man? ...mass murderer and a psycho.
Help communists in Poland, hungary etc. o.O ...this a joke? ...you were no different then nazi germany, invading countries around you ...only difference is allias needed you.
last i checked.... it was the british and french that divided up the middle east into mandates (colonies).
please dont play with words.poteito, potato.The british-the west-the alliance.I ll rephrase then, Kuwait was British invention, they made Kuwait and drew its borders after ww1, so they have a port in the Gulf.
if saddam had seized saudi arabias oil fields he would have controlled roughly 40 percent of the oil produced in the middle east.
So what?Why do you care?You are on the other side of the planet, why you think you must have a say in Middle East affairs?Yes because you are imperialistic,agreesive, power hungry nation, who try to control Middle East and its resources, we know.Then you wonder why Arabs and "jihadists" hates you..and only you for that matter.
furthermore, it was saddam hussein who invaded iran first and started the longest conventional war of the 20th century. a million people died and if you didnt know this, yeah chemical weapons were used.
Seriously, again?Whats the matter really, dont you have internet in Usa?You only listen to CNN and come here to debate?
Who helped Saddam in this "longest conventional war of the 20th century"?Billions and billions of dollars spent by USA to help Saddam Husein and Iraq win the war against Iran.Weapons,technology,training,intelligence,vehicles,chemical weapons, you name it.And all this is proven by documents, even the washington post published it, so you should know about it.In the 1994 report, we can see Usa transfered to Iraq, large ammounts of pathogenic,toxigenic and other biological materials, capable of reproduction.Including fucking anthrax and the bubonic plague.It is also proven, that not only The Usa government knew that Sadam was using these weapons to exterminate the Iranians, but even when Iraq used them to murder Kurd civilians, it still didnt care and did nothing.So much for the Usa who care about injustice and oppression lol.Also another interesting fact.Do you know that these "materials" the Usa shiped on Iraq, was exactly the same, as the ones the UN inspectors found when they visit Iraq after?Yeah..
I didnt say Iraq's army scared you.I said Sadam.If Sadam seized Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, he would become the strongest figure in the Middle East.He would have a strong position, could control oil prices, would have money to rebuilt and get more weapons, peace with Iran and then he would be able to challenge Usa's supremacy in the Middle East.Usa wouldnt have that.
Ill skip the bullshit to the end bc you are just trying to restate lies to make Russia look amazing and the best when it wasnt the only Ally in ww2, talk about ego, slavs dont brag but you think usa and uk didnt even fight in the war, that is true arrogance, hitler shouldve finished this and whipped you all out (jk lel).
United States invaded Iraq to liberate Kuwait, our ally and biggest oil supporter, and to prevent them from creating nuclear and chemical weapons, this doesnt have anything to do with Ukraine. However, I think the situation can be solved through diplomacy, and I think right now this is what is being done, dont compare things when you dont know what happened in Iraq, Kuwait called to America for aid, we were wanted, the second time we went back wasnt necessary and I dont agree with how the US President decided to do it, but Ukraine has showed no signs that it wants America in the war, if Russia wants to commit mass murder to become an Imperialistic State a wish them luck because there will be many rebels against them and I cant help but agree with what they will want, but for now the situation is just cock-showing to see who will do what, sanctions v small actions.
I'll skip the bullshit you posted; i never said uk and usa didnt participate, they just didnt participate as they are claiming. I explained everything in my topic i gave you link above.
Yeah i dont know what happened in Irak, i wasnt there in the 80's i woudlnt know...
Ahahah so ukraine isnt same situation as irak? Ukrainian and Polish presidents call for ameriacn help so ''russian imperialism dont spread'', so go help them! Well, Russia posses WMD, chemical weapons, nukes, just like Irak did no? Irak took kuwait, we took Crimea, so come american, liberate crimea. Use army i dare you, not only diplomacy. Use of diplomacy makes you look weak, so switch to action tough guy, beat us and liberate ukraine.
America is flexible, america calculates, and they invade only small weak countries, of course they make mistake sometimes but very rare. They invaded Granada for christ stake lol. Their mistake was invasion of Vietnam where 50,000 americans died and invasion of Serbia were 5-10,000 americans died, but political goal was achieved in serbia while failed in vietnam. Now time come to invade Russia again, there isnt other opponent for America left, so go ahead, attack Russia, take our oil, nukes, resources and divide our land among your allies as reward.
France attacked Russia as soon they beat other opponents, Germany attacked Russia twice in 20 years period, and they attacked hard. America has no other enemies left, only Russia, so lets see how long will you need to invade us, how long you need to overcome russophobia and start the war. Or will you stay chicken and lead ''media wars'' on tv against Russian Federation.
the only reason why america didnt get involved is because of the guy in office. stop acting like russia is the most powerful country in the world. unlike you, america doesnt still annex other nations. your country acts like its the 18th century where borders can be drawn and redrawn. invading small little countries? isnt that what you're doing to georgia? to ukraine? small nations? how bout you try invading something your own size. then again, we all know america would win. after all, bangladesh has more people than russia. im sure the purging that went on and how any sensible person would not live in russia because of people like you had something to do with that.
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Everyone is living a myth and it's important to know what yours is. It could be a tragedy- and maybe you don't want it to be.
last i checked.... it was the british and french that divided up the middle east into mandates (colonies).
please dont play with words.poteito, potato.The british-the west-the alliance.I ll rephrase then, Kuwait was British invention, they made Kuwait and drew its borders after ww1, so they have a port in the Gulf.
if saddam had seized saudi arabias oil fields he would have controlled roughly 40 percent of the oil produced in the middle east.
So what?Why do you care?You are on the other side of the planet, why you think you must have a say in Middle East affairs?Yes because you are imperialistic,agreesive, power hungry nation, who try to control Middle East and its resources, we know.Then you wonder why Arabs and "jihadists" hates you..and only you for that matter.
furthermore, it was saddam hussein who invaded iran first and started the longest conventional war of the 20th century. a million people died and if you didnt know this, yeah chemical weapons were used.
Seriously, again?Whats the matter really, dont you have internet in Usa?You only listen to CNN and come here to debate?
Who helped Saddam in this "longest conventional war of the 20th century"?Billions and billions of dollars spent by USA to help Saddam Husein and Iraq win the war against Iran.Weapons,technology,training,intelligence,vehicles,chemical weapons, you name it.And all this is proven by documents, even the washington post published it, so you should know about it.In the 1994 report, we can see Usa transfered to Iraq, large ammounts of pathogenic,toxigenic and other biological materials, capable of reproduction.Including fucking anthrax and the bubonic plague.It is also proven, that not only The Usa government knew that Sadam was using these weapons to exterminate the Iranians, but even when Iraq used them to murder Kurd civilians, it still didnt care and did nothing.So much for the Usa who care about injustice and oppression lol.Also another interesting fact.Do you know that these "materials" the Usa shiped on Iraq, was exactly the same, as the ones the UN inspectors found when they visit Iraq after?Yeah..
I didnt say Iraq's army scared you.I said Sadam.If Sadam seized Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, he would become the strongest figure in the Middle East.He would have a strong position, could control oil prices, would have money to rebuilt and get more weapons, peace with Iran and then he would be able to challenge Usa's supremacy in the Middle East.Usa wouldnt have that.
well yeah, they did draw up borders in the middle eats. like i said, they set up mandates. and dont act like bbcause the british and french decided to set up colonies in the middle east that we had everything to do with that. you are just being idiotic right now. go read up on what mandates are suppose to be. and why do we care? where do you think we get our oil from? ya think we would want to support a dictatorship again? you think we want to buy oil at a higher price? you think we want kuwait and saudi arabia to live under fear and repression? get off your high horse. america and the coalition it spearheaded liberated kuwait. a country full of people that consider themselves kuwaiti. a country like every other nation in the world that was drawn up by men. if you are going to talk stupid, i will not respond. but sure, keep yelling how evil america is.
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Everyone is living a myth and it's important to know what yours is. It could be a tragedy- and maybe you don't want it to be.
...insert putin instead hitler D:
