Any pro lifer here?

Γραμμένο από Khal.eesi, 16.07.2017 at 16:17

It is murder the embryo is alive From the sperm, how the fuck do you think it swam to the cell. Are you the type of person that believes everything that science says? I don't.

Think for yourself. Don't let others do it.

The baby has a heart beat witch makes it alive. The sperm swims with its cells to the egg,witch makes it alive. The baby develops from the mother's fluids. AT WHAT FUCKING POINT IS IT NOT ALIVE.

You guys do my fucking head in .hopefully the world isn't like you. How the fuck can you put a life down cause it is in poverty. They are the happiest children I have ever seen in Africa. Look at you western idiots crying cause you don't have the latest iPhone. Most miserable people in the world. I'm fucking ashamed to live here.

O you wanna put charts up Mr chart, look at this. So people who you think should have the most abortions, due to poverty. Want to live the most!....

Γραμμένο από JF., 17.07.2017 at 02:28

You guys do my fucking head in .hopefully the world isn't like you. How the fuck can you put a life down cause it is in poverty. They are the happiest children I have ever seen in Africa. Look at you western idiots crying cause you don't have the latest iPhone. Most miserable people in the world. I'm fucking ashamed to live here.

I dont think there are alot of abortions in Africa, so bad example to be honest.

How can you not see the point of abortion? Especially when it comes down to poverty. So you want a baby/kid to raise up in agony of never having the food or money to do what others kids do? There are, especially in America, alot of teenmoms, who are 16/15 y/o, who don't even know how to deal with themselves and you think its smart for them to have kids at that age? Its inhumane to have a kid you cant take care of, even if you love him as much as you can, a kid needs food, water, medicine, which need money.

I get the point you trying to make with Western world and the rest, which is true, since most ppl are more happier eventhough they do not have the money or whatever, but this is not rlly relevant to this topic tbh.

Anyways this debate is pointless just like any other debate in AW.

Why don't you guys just stop it before it turns out ugly, as always.

I am not pro abortion, i am pro condom...
Want a child: speak with ur soulmate and do it
Dont want a child: buy condoms....
After people are asking themselves wtf did i do....In my school i had at least 3 girls who were pregnant cause they did sex without condom "for more pleasure" and now they are complaining wtf i am going to do with my life...

Γραμμένο από Al Fappino, 16.07.2017 at 10:38

First of all, abortions are legalized primarily because if they were illegal, people would just do it anyways and in shitty conditions, which would endanger the woman and probably kill her or cripple her. So legalizing abortions prevents illegal abortions which endanger health. On top of that, they prevent some sort of illegal activity dark-market-ish stuff, which also has a positive effect.

That 'argument' begs the question - is it ok for society to sanction child-murder just because some people might do it anyway in shitty conditions which would endanger the woman and probably kill her or cripple her?
So, should we legalize rape so the government can make it safer and cleaner?
Should we legalize the underground trade in sex slaves to regulate and make it safer?
That is a myth concocted by the abortion industry. Before its legalization, most illegal abortions were already committed in doctor's offices by physicians. the founders of National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL), admits that their and other abortion industry leaders invented figures to make the claim that 'thousands of women are dying annually from unsafe abortions'. They did this in order to win public sympathy for legalization.
Also, It's possible that more women are dying today as a result of legal abortion than were dying before its legalization in 1969. Abortion surgery and abortifacient pills (like the ones called 'RU-486') do sometimes result in death from continued bleeding or infection. Studies also show a correlation between abortion-choice and suicide.

So Fappino, want to keep women from dying? End the abortion culture and support your neighbour through her pregnancy.

Γραμμένο από Al Fappino, 16.07.2017 at 10:38

Now, I've read some posts here which kinda made me facepalm myself..

Γραμμένο από JF., 16.07.2017 at 07:47

Unborn baby's are living. You are committing murder. From the moment the sperm is produced by the male that is a living organism. To make it seem less than it is, but still have a major factor. Killing anything is wrong. Think of a women who losses her child in birth or dies when the women dies. They morn the loss of a child and his/her death, they do not morn what they could have been. Some even have funerals.

First of all, this is a bit stupid? Unborn babies aren't exactly living, they're just a forming fetus till x months. Some legislation allow abortions up to x weeks (very few) of "age", if we can call it that way. You're putting as if abortions are allowed until 7 or 8months of pregnancy or the day before its birth, so don't go through the autism way. I'd rather have my (future) wife sacrifice her growing fetus if she was risking her life than carry on with some crippling pregnancy. Afterall, aslong as I don't get my dick and balls chopped off, I can just make another one. Yes, sorry for being blunt but we have to be objective and babies aren't the end of the world. In Medieval age parents would lose 2 or 3 kids and breed ohter 8.

Nobody is condemning the fact there's baby funerals, also those funerals are held with babies who were born already so..yeah (in majorly most of the time), but pragmatism should stand above all tbh

You are so fucking wrong here and I don't see why you're so confident in your answers..

Let's start with beggining...At the moment when a human sperm penetrates a human ovum, or egg, generally in the upper portion of the fallopian tube, a new entity comes into existence. 'Zygote' is the name of the first cell formed at conception, the earliest developmental stage of the human embryo, followed by the 'morula' and 'blastocyst' stages.

Now you may ask: Is it human? Is it alive? Is it just a cell or is it an actual organism, a 'being'? These are actually logical questions. You should raise them, and then provide the answers, no just shit before you actually checked anything. Even if you did, it was bad check.


The following text is reffered to my broski Khal also, cuz of this:

Γραμμένο από Khal.eesi, 16.07.2017 at 16:17

1. It is NOT murder since the embryo is NOT a living organism and you CANNOT murder non living things.
Organism
Definition
noun, plural: organisms
(Science: Biology)
An individual living thing that can react to stimuli, reproduce, grow, and maintain homeostasis.

ˇˇ
The zygote is composed of human DNA and other human molecules, so its nature is undeniably human and not some other species.
The new human zygote has a genetic composition that is absolutely unique from itself, different from any other human that has ever existed, including that of its mother (thus disproving the claim that what is involved in abortion is merely a woman and her body").
This DNA includes a complete 'design', guiding not only early development but even hereditary attributes that will appear in childhood and adulthood, from hair and eye color to personality traits. It is also quite clear that the earliest human embryo is biologically alive. It fulfills the four criteria needed to establish biological life (Yes, I am talking about the embryo):
- metabolism
- growth
- reaction to stimuli
- reproduction

Finally, is the human zygote merely a new kind of cell or is it a human organism.
Scientists define an organism as a complex structure of interdependent elements constituted to carry on the activities of life by separately functioning but mutually dependant organs. The human zygote meets this definition with ease.
Once formed, it initiates a complex sequence of events to ready it for continued development and growth:
The zygote acts immediately and decisively to initiate a program of development that will, if uninterrupted by accident, disease, or external intervention, proceed seamlessly through formation of the definitive body, birth, childhood, adolescence, maturity, and aging, ending with death. This coordinated behavior is the very hallmark of an organism. By contrast, while a mere collection of human cells may carry on the activities of cellular life, it will not exhibit coordinated interactions directed towards a higher level of organization.
Also, the scientific evidence is quite plain: at the moment of fusion of human sperm and egg, a new entity comes into existence which is distinctly human, alive, and an individual organism - a living, and fully human, being

And now Fappino and co. (not including Khal since he's the only one posting any relevant arguments or his researches here + I like the 'healthy' discussion with him) are comming with their defense of abortion by conceding the scientific proofs but will argue that the entity in the womb is still not, or not yet, a 'person'
Not a 'person' is a decidedly unscientific argument: it has nothing to do with science and everything to do with someone's own moral or political philosophy, though that someone may not readily admit it. Here is a good time to recite the scientific proofs, and maybe make a philosophical point of your own.

I'm studying law for example and we're either persons or property; and even the biggest abortion defender will be reluctant to call a human child a piece of property. Agree?


Whatsmore, others may suggest 'humanness' depends on something spiritual, like infusion of a soul, but to argue there is no soul until birth or some other time is, by definition, to argue something incapable of proof. Another good time to recite the scientific proofs.
A brief word about the politicization of the definition of 'pregnancy'. While the science on when life begins is clear, some still claim that 'pregnancy' doesn't begin until the embryo implants itself in the lining of the uterine wall, which occurs about a week later. Why? Politics and profit, my dude.
If the science on when life begins is clear, why do some organizations claim that 'pregnancy' doesn't begin until a week later, at implantation? The answer: politics and profit again, my dude.

Acceptance of an implantation-based definition of 'pregnancy' would allow abortion providers to mischaracterize pills and technologies that work after conception but before implantation as 'contraception', making them potentially less subject to regulation and certainly more accept-able and attractive to consumers. Indeed, two institutes who support legalized abortion have pushed for this type of pregnancy re-definition for decades: the Guttmacher Institute (the abortion research institute originally established by the Planned Parenthood Federation of America) and the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.
If your interlocutor raises this issue, point out that: the word 'contraception' literally means 'against conception', therefore something cannot be said to be a 'contraceptive' if it allows conception and the fertilization-based definition of pregnancy is still the predominant definition in medical dictionaries today.

Lastly, to mention you on the few things about that 'something' in mother's stomach;
Human beings develop at an astonishingly rapid pace. Giving a quick recitation of the child's development will weaken the 'not a person yet' mentality.
- The cardiovascular system is the first major system to function. So, at about 22 days after conception the child's heart begins to circulate his own blood, unique to that of his mother's, and his heartbeat can be detected on ultrasound
- At just six weeks, the child's eyes and eye lids, nose, mouth, and tongue have formed
- Electrical brain activity can be detected at six or seven weeks and by the end of the eighth week, the child, now known scientifically as a "fetus," has developed all of his organs and bodily structures
- By ten weeks after conception the child can make bodily movements.

Γραμμένο από Al Fappino, 16.07.2017 at 10:38

How about I rape your gf or wife or companion, and force her to have her child? and bear the guilt of descendants and orphanage and poverty?

Γραμμένο από Witch-Doctor, 16.07.2017 at 09:23

It isn't killing if it isn't alive. No scientist would consider a mass of cell that would die on its own living yet.

Regardless, why would you try to restrict the bodily right of people with laws. Imagine if circumcism was banned because the mass of cell off your penis was considered a life.

Okay, let me write that The Supreme Court has said that the death penalty is cruel and unusual punishment for rapists and that rapists don't deserve the death penalty. I don't think the innocent child conceived in rape deserves the death penalty for the crimes of her father. It seems to me that is cruel and unusual punishment. Isn't it?
Secondly, rape victims are 4 times more likely to die within the next year after the abortion, with a higher rate of suicide, murder, drug overdose, etc.. As someone who really cares about rape victims, I want to protect them from the rapist, and from the abortion. A baby is not the worst thing that could ever happen to a rape victim, but - an abortion is. We need to educate the public on the truth in this matter and not make public policy based on myth and misinformation as I already said.
Furthermore, rape victims choose abortion at half the rate of the average unplanned pregnancy, which is over 50%.
And only 15-25% of rape victims choose abortion, depending on the study. The majority of rape victims choose to raise her child - not 'the rapist's baby', but HER child.

PS: FAPPino, if this is tldr for you, then you shouldn't went into discussions about these 'sensitive' themes, especially not now when you made me participate in it.

Γραμμένο από JF., 16.07.2017 at 07:47

Unborn baby's are living. You are committing murder. From the moment the sperm is produced by the male that is a living organism. To make it seem less than it is, but still have a major factor. Killing anything is wrong. Think of a women who losses her child in birth or dies when the women dies. They morn the loss of a child and his/her death, they do not morn what they could have been. Some even have funerals.

It really doesnt matter if the cells are alive or not honestly if something is growing in your body you are its god and have 100% say if it lives or dies
In your logic a 12 y old girl that got raped by a pedo and got pregnant must keep this abomination baby at least for 9 moths suffering every day reminded of the rape yes?

Γραμμένο από Croat, 17.07.2017 at 05:57

Γραμμένο από Al Fappino, 16.07.2017 at 10:38

First of all, abortions are legalized primarily because if they were illegal, people would just do it anyways and in shitty conditions, which would endanger the woman and probably kill her or cripple her. So legalizing abortions prevents illegal abortions which endanger health. On top of that, they prevent some sort of illegal activity dark-market-ish stuff, which also has a positive effect.

That 'argument' begs the question - is it ok for society to sanction child-murder just because some people might do it anyway in shitty conditions which would endanger the woman and probably kill her or cripple her?
So, should we legalize rape so the government can make it safer and cleaner?
Should we legalize the underground trade in sex slaves to regulate and make it safer?
That is a myth concocted by the abortion industry. Before its legalization, most illegal abortions were already committed in doctor's offices by physicians. the founders of National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL), admits that their and other abortion industry leaders invented figures to make the claim that 'thousands of women are dying annually from unsafe abortions'. They did this in order to win public sympathy for legalization.
Also, It's possible that more women are dying today as a result of legal abortion than were dying before its legalization in 1969. Abortion surgery and abortifacient pills (like the ones called 'RU-486') do sometimes result in death from continued bleeding or infection. Studies also show a correlation between abortion-choice and suicide.

So Fappino, want to keep women from dying? End the abortion culture and support your neighbour through her pregnancy.

Γραμμένο από Al Fappino, 16.07.2017 at 10:38

Now, I've read some posts here which kinda made me facepalm myself..

Γραμμένο από JF., 16.07.2017 at 07:47

Unborn baby's are living. You are committing murder. From the moment the sperm is produced by the male that is a living organism. To make it seem less than it is, but still have a major factor. Killing anything is wrong. Think of a women who losses her child in birth or dies when the women dies. They morn the loss of a child and his/her death, they do not morn what they could have been. Some even have funerals.

First of all, this is a bit stupid? Unborn babies aren't exactly living, they're just a forming fetus till x months. Some legislation allow abortions up to x weeks (very few) of "age", if we can call it that way. You're putting as if abortions are allowed until 7 or 8months of pregnancy or the day before its birth, so don't go through the autism way. I'd rather have my (future) wife sacrifice her growing fetus if she was risking her life than carry on with some crippling pregnancy. Afterall, aslong as I don't get my dick and balls chopped off, I can just make another one. Yes, sorry for being blunt but we have to be objective and babies aren't the end of the world. In Medieval age parents would lose 2 or 3 kids and breed ohter 8.

Nobody is condemning the fact there's baby funerals, also those funerals are held with babies who were born already so..yeah (in majorly most of the time), but pragmatism should stand above all tbh

You are so fucking wrong here and I don't see why you're so confident in your answers..

Let's start with beggining...At the moment when a human sperm penetrates a human ovum, or egg, generally in the upper portion of the fallopian tube, a new entity comes into existence. 'Zygote' is the name of the first cell formed at conception, the earliest developmental stage of the human embryo, followed by the 'morula' and 'blastocyst' stages.

Now you may ask: Is it human? Is it alive? Is it just a cell or is it an actual organism, a 'being'? These are actually logical questions. You should raise them, and then provide the answers, no just shit before you actually checked anything. Even if you did, it was bad check.


The following text is reffered to my broski Khal also, cuz of this:

Γραμμένο από Khal.eesi, 16.07.2017 at 16:17

1. It is NOT murder since the embryo is NOT a living organism and you CANNOT murder non living things.
Organism
Definition
noun, plural: organisms
(Science: Biology)
An individual living thing that can react to stimuli, reproduce, grow, and maintain homeostasis.

ˇˇ
The zygote is composed of human DNA and other human molecules, so its nature is undeniably human and not some other species.
The new human zygote has a genetic composition that is absolutely unique from itself, different from any other human that has ever existed, including that of its mother (thus disproving the claim that what is involved in abortion is merely a woman and her body").
This DNA includes a complete 'design', guiding not only early development but even hereditary attributes that will appear in childhood and adulthood, from hair and eye color to personality traits. It is also quite clear that the earliest human embryo is biologically alive. It fulfills the four criteria needed to establish biological life (Yes, I am talking about the embryo):
- metabolism
- growth
- reaction to stimuli
- reproduction

Finally, is the human zygote merely a new kind of cell or is it a human organism.
Scientists define an organism as a complex structure of interdependent elements constituted to carry on the activities of life by separately functioning but mutually dependant organs. The human zygote meets this definition with ease.
Once formed, it initiates a complex sequence of events to ready it for continued development and growth:
The zygote acts immediately and decisively to initiate a program of development that will, if uninterrupted by accident, disease, or external intervention, proceed seamlessly through formation of the definitive body, birth, childhood, adolescence, maturity, and aging, ending with death. This coordinated behavior is the very hallmark of an organism. By contrast, while a mere collection of human cells may carry on the activities of cellular life, it will not exhibit coordinated interactions directed towards a higher level of organization.
Also, the scientific evidence is quite plain: at the moment of fusion of human sperm and egg, a new entity comes into existence which is distinctly human, alive, and an individual organism - a living, and fully human, being

And now Fappino and co. (not including Khal since he's the only one posting any relevant arguments or his researches here + I like the 'healthy' discussion with him) are comming with their defense of abortion by conceding the scientific proofs but will argue that the entity in the womb is still not, or not yet, a 'person'
Not a 'person' is a decidedly unscientific argument: it has nothing to do with science and everything to do with someone's own moral or political philosophy, though that someone may not readily admit it. Here is a good time to recite the scientific proofs, and maybe make a philosophical point of your own.

I'm studying law for example and we're either persons or property; and even the biggest abortion defender will be reluctant to call a human child a piece of property. Agree?


Whatsmore, others may suggest 'humanness' depends on something spiritual, like infusion of a soul, but to argue there is no soul until birth or some other time is, by definition, to argue something incapable of proof. Another good time to recite the scientific proofs.
A brief word about the politicization of the definition of 'pregnancy'. While the science on when life begins is clear, some still claim that 'pregnancy' doesn't begin until the embryo implants itself in the lining of the uterine wall, which occurs about a week later. Why? Politics and profit, my dude.
If the science on when life begins is clear, why do some organizations claim that 'pregnancy' doesn't begin until a week later, at implantation? The answer: politics and profit again, my dude.

Acceptance of an implantation-based definition of 'pregnancy' would allow abortion providers to mischaracterize pills and technologies that work after conception but before implantation as 'contraception', making them potentially less subject to regulation and certainly more accept-able and attractive to consumers. Indeed, two institutes who support legalized abortion have pushed for this type of pregnancy re-definition for decades: the Guttmacher Institute (the abortion research institute originally established by the Planned Parenthood Federation of America) and the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.
If your interlocutor raises this issue, point out that: the word 'contraception' literally means 'against conception', therefore something cannot be said to be a 'contraceptive' if it allows conception and the fertilization-based definition of pregnancy is still the predominant definition in medical dictionaries today.

Lastly, to mention you on the few things about that 'something' in mother's stomach;
Human beings develop at an astonishingly rapid pace. Giving a quick recitation of the child's development will weaken the 'not a person yet' mentality.
- The cardiovascular system is the first major system to function. So, at about 22 days after conception the child's heart begins to circulate his own blood, unique to that of his mother's, and his heartbeat can be detected on ultrasound
- At just six weeks, the child's eyes and eye lids, nose, mouth, and tongue have formed
- Electrical brain activity can be detected at six or seven weeks and by the end of the eighth week, the child, now known scientifically as a "fetus," has developed all of his organs and bodily structures
- By ten weeks after conception the child can make bodily movements.

Γραμμένο από Al Fappino, 16.07.2017 at 10:38

How about I rape your gf or wife or companion, and force her to have her child? and bear the guilt of descendants and orphanage and poverty?

Γραμμένο από Witch-Doctor, 16.07.2017 at 09:23

It isn't killing if it isn't alive. No scientist would consider a mass of cell that would die on its own living yet.

Regardless, why would you try to restrict the bodily right of people with laws. Imagine if circumcism was banned because the mass of cell off your penis was considered a life.

Okay, let me write that The Supreme Court has said that the death penalty is cruel and unusual punishment for rapists and that rapists don't deserve the death penalty. I don't think the innocent child conceived in rape deserves the death penalty for the crimes of her father. It seems to me that is cruel and unusual punishment. Isn't it?
Secondly, rape victims are 4 times more likely to die within the next year after the abortion, with a higher rate of suicide, murder, drug overdose, etc.. As someone who really cares about rape victims, I want to protect them from the rapist, and from the abortion. A baby is not the worst thing that could ever happen to a rape victim, but - an abortion is. We need to educate the public on the truth in this matter and not make public policy based on myth and misinformation as I already said.
Furthermore, rape victims choose abortion at half the rate of the average unplanned pregnancy, which is over 50%.
And only 15-25% of rape victims choose abortion, depending on the study. The majority of rape victims choose to raise her child - not 'the rapist's baby', but HER child.

PS: FAPPino, if this is tldr for you, then you shouldn't went into discussions about these 'sensitive' themes, especially not now when you made me participate in it.

This is a bunch of crap wow
Im sorry but your so full of yourself bringing your fake surveys i call most of your surveys BS also you mean to force a woman to have a rape baby.are you a vegan?
Did you ever kill a fly?
The cell mass in the first month is smaller than a fly and up to 3 months it really doesn't look human
If your logic made sense
Every time you jerk of your killing millions of babies
Every time you have sex with a condom
Man stop being such a prude and so full of yourself if anything killing a chicken is worse than having an abortion since the chicken has at least some intelligence
Up to 3 months the fetus definitely does not.

Croat wtf are you talking about


-metabolism
-growth
-reaction to stimuli
-reproduction

A fertilized egg FAILS all but growth.
It doesn't have its own metabolism, all of it comes from its mother.

It doesn't react to stimuli at early stages because it doesnt even have a nervous system or a brain yet.

It obviously can't reproduce.

Get out of here with your pseudo science jingoistic bull.

I can't believe westerners even have this debate. It's the parents choice if they want to bring a child to the world. and since they will have sacrefice their own and their children future or put their new child into immedial risk by giving him to adoption forbidding abortion because you pity the zygote is fucking absurd.

I see the very people who suppurted rapes enslavments genocides gay persuades and vegans shaming are apperantley pro-life gentle souls. It's getting tragic.

Γραμμένο από Khal.eesi, 16.07.2017 at 16:32

Check Eastern Europe in your picture, high abortions in liberal law subregion! It is definitely not backing your claim unless you exclude it.

Second thing is, you still didn't provide IQ of mothers doing abortion, so we can see the average. Living in a high literacy developed country doesn't mean mothers who abort are smart. Remember 'white trash'?

Third, only life can create life, and so if you stop it via abortion, it is a murder.

Fourth, i am not anti-abortion, i said long ago despite i am christian i don't mind abortion, it help family planning. But scientific facts are facts and neither i or you can argue with that(that it is a murder).

Omfg I forgot this is fucking aw community, people who debate without any relevant argument, but use 'everytime you jerk you kill million of babies' as the best one.

Fuck off you dumb heavyretarded idiots, and in future, I will debate only with Khal about things we dont stay the same side, cuz hes the only one here who actually does something more than 'DO YOU EVER KILLED A FLY?'


You fucking bunch of invalid kids, I would support abortion only in your cases, so you don't spread the stupidity anymore. And I am sorry to a girl who gives you her pussy to cum into it, she must be damaged too. Jerks

Γραμμένο από Croat, 17.07.2017 at 12:26

People say i am pretty decent guy too

Γραμμένο από JF., 17.07.2017 at 02:28

You guys do my fucking head in .hopefully the world isn't like you. How the fuck can you put a life down cause it is in poverty. They are the happiest children I have ever seen in Africa. Look at you western idiots crying cause you don't have the latest iPhone. Most miserable people in the world. I'm fucking ashamed to live here.

You're over generalizing. I'd love to put you to starvation in a Kenyan wasteland with rainy weather twice a month during dry season and barely have livestock to breed and get food.

Γραμμένο από Croat, 17.07.2017 at 05:57

Γραμμένο από Al Fappino, 16.07.2017 at 10:38

First of all, abortions are legalized primarily because if they were illegal, people would just do it anyways and in shitty conditions, which would endanger the woman and probably kill her or cripple her. So legalizing abortions prevents illegal abortions which endanger health. On top of that, they prevent some sort of illegal activity dark-market-ish stuff, which also has a positive effect.

That 'argument' begs the question - is it ok for society to sanction child-murder just because some people might do it anyway in shitty conditions which would endanger the woman and probably kill her or cripple her?
So, should we legalize rape so the government can make it safer and cleaner?
Should we legalize the underground trade in sex slaves to regulate and make it safer?
That is a myth concocted by the abortion industry. Before its legalization, most illegal abortions were already committed in doctor's offices by physicians. the founders of National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL), admits that their and other abortion industry leaders invented figures to make the claim that 'thousands of women are dying annually from unsafe abortions'. They did this in order to win public sympathy for legalization.
Also, It's possible that more women are dying today as a result of legal abortion than were dying before its legalization in 1969. Abortion surgery and abortifacient pills (like the ones called 'RU-486') do sometimes result in death from continued bleeding or infection. Studies also show a correlation between abortion-choice and suicide.

So Fappino, want to keep women from dying? End the abortion culture and support your neighbour through her pregnancy.

I'd never support a woman who's pregnancy would be unwanted. if the pregnancy is unwanted, end it. As simple as that. Now on to another bullshit of yours down below. Also, I hate when people like to bring up extreme arguments to try and sustain their claims, don't do it, makes you look stupid and with a brain of a redneck.

Γραμμένο από Al Fappino, 16.07.2017 at 10:38

Now, I've read some posts here which kinda made me facepalm myself..

Γραμμένο από JF., 16.07.2017 at 07:47

Unborn baby's are living. You are committing murder. From the moment the sperm is produced by the male that is a living organism. To make it seem less than it is, but still have a major factor. Killing anything is wrong. Think of a women who losses her child in birth or dies when the women dies. They morn the loss of a child and his/her death, they do not morn what they could have been. Some even have funerals.

First of all, this is a bit stupid? Unborn babies aren't exactly living, they're just a forming fetus till x months. Some legislation allow abortions up to x weeks (very few) of "age", if we can call it that way. You're putting as if abortions are allowed until 7 or 8months of pregnancy or the day before its birth, so don't go through the autism way. I'd rather have my (future) wife sacrifice her growing fetus if she was risking her life than carry on with some crippling pregnancy. Afterall, aslong as I don't get my dick and balls chopped off, I can just make another one. Yes, sorry for being blunt but we have to be objective and babies aren't the end of the world. In Medieval age parents would lose 2 or 3 kids and breed ohter 8.

Nobody is condemning the fact there's baby funerals, also those funerals are held with babies who were born already so..yeah (in majorly most of the time), but pragmatism should stand above all tbh

Γραμμένο από Croat, 17.07.2017 at 05:57

You are so fucking wrong here and I don't see why you're so confident in your answers..

The confidence I show in my answers is the confidence of someone who wouldn't want unwanted babies roaming around in orphanages or condemned to a life of having a dysfunctional family and not being raised in probably an environment that wouldn't allow the kid to unleash its full potential. Sometimes when these sensitive matters are brought, you should think beyond the abortion, and look to the future of the would-be citizen.

Γραμμένο από Al Fappino, 16.07.2017 at 10:38

How about I rape your gf or wife or companion, and force her to have her child? and bear the guilt of descendants and orphanage and poverty?

Γραμμένο από Witch-Doctor, 16.07.2017 at 09:23

It isn't killing if it isn't alive. No scientist would consider a mass of cell that would die on its own living yet.

Regardless, why would you try to restrict the bodily right of people with laws. Imagine if circumcism was banned because the mass of cell off your penis was considered a life.

Γραμμένο από Croat, 17.07.2017 at 05:57

Okay, let me write that The Supreme Court has said that the death penalty is cruel and unusual punishment for rapists and that rapists don't deserve the death penalty. I don't think the innocent child conceived in rape deserves the death penalty for the crimes of her father. It seems to me that is cruel and unusual punishment. Isn't it?

Are you seriously comparing a sentence for rape crime to abortion of the child resulted of a rape? Now that's flawless baseline for an argument, dont you think? Even for someone who's studying law. I never said rape-crimes should be punished with the death penalty, and I don't think death penalty should apply to those cases. If you want to really go iron fist on rape, give them harsh inprisonments or sterilization.

The innocent "child" conceived in a rape does not deserve to be "punished" for the crimes of her "father". First of all, given the fact her father would be a rapist, the child with be biological-fatherless, and that's only just one of the aspects. So what would the father do to respect his duties as a now-parent? Pay a monthly fee and just server his sentence in prison and then live his life? Being a parent isn't just for the first 9months of a pregnancy, it's for the rest of your life, and I'm quite frankly against having a child having to bear the burden of a worthless scum who raped its mum, having someone who she could call father. That itself belittles the purpose of parenthood.

Let's say your father raped your mother and you were born. You were raised only by your mother, with help from times to times of your grandparents or a neighbour. What a dysfunctional childhood and family right? Not much to live for no?

Now, you're 6 years old, and you're in your primary school. You can't related to any of the kids there because there will always be a bully or some kid who will say your father was a rapist, raped your mom and is now in jail. Could not happen, but let's say its a possibility? Now you suffer from bullying and you've been exposed and belittled and posed as inferior to the other kids from normal families.

You reach your teenage period, without any father to guide you through or constantly bearing the guilt and burden of you being the product of a rape, and an unwanted pregnancy. You felt during your entire childhood that you weren't exactly wished nor truly cherished and loved.

Now, put yourself on the role of such a child and think to yourself, would you want to bear the constant guilt and somewhat burden throughout most of your life, or would you rather be born in the ideal conditions or at the very least, normal ones?

That is the question we should all ask ourselves, and not be directly worried with the pregnancy itself and the baby, if you're talking about rape-motivated abortions.

Γραμμένο από Croat, 17.07.2017 at 05:57

A baby is not the worst thing that could ever happen to a rape victim, but - an abortion is

Who the hell are you to even have any authority or any say in what's the worst thing to happen to a rape victim anyways? Do you think having a baby from a rape wouldn't be a constant burden for the mother? The child would be a constant reminder of a trauma the woman would like to forget about..

Γραμμένο από Croat, 17.07.2017 at 05:57

PS: FAPPino, if this is tldr for you, then you shouldn't went into discussions about these 'sensitive' themes, especially not now when you made me participate in it.

Oh don't worry, I went through everything you said, and I'm not afraid of going head to head on any subject with someone who doesn't look beyond the "sensitive" subject itself, besides, proving and debunking flawed arguments and claims somewhat pleasures me.

If anything, my answers will just be ever more confident, and it'll reach a point where you will not want to answer them, and just leave my counterargument unanswered

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Γραμμένο από Rock Lee, 17.07.2017 at 12:01

I see the very people who suppurted rapes enslavments genocides gay persuades and vegans shaming are apperantley pro-life gentle souls. It's getting tragic.

They want live babies so they can grow up to be dead soldiers

Γραμμένο από JF., 17.07.2017 at 02:28

I'm fucking ashamed to live here.

Good and we dont want you here so get the fuck out if the shame is too much. Good riddance and dont let the door hit you on your way out self-hating cuck.

Γραμμένο από Khal.eesi, 17.07.2017 at 15:25

Γραμμένο από JF., 17.07.2017 at 02:28

I'm fucking ashamed to live here.

Good and we dont want you here so get the fuck out if the shame is too much. Good riddance and dont let the door hit you on your way out.

with all the technology available, including latex. why do we still have to butcher fetuses inside the womb?

Γραμμένο από Witch-Doctor, 16.07.2017 at 14:32

Γραμμένο από Wheelo, 16.07.2017 at 13:23

I believe abortion is simply murder. We are being forced to normalize these things by these extreme liberals, to think you can just tear the limbs from a baby and see it as normal is sick. It is a complete disregard for life. I believe abortion should only be allowed when the life of the woman is at direct risk.

Γραμμένο από Witch-Doctor, 16.07.2017 at 09:32

Γραμμένο από The Sphinx, 16.07.2017 at 03:26

Would you have wanted to be aborted? Give others the right to fucking live

Would you have wanted to be born into a life of poverty and neglect because you were the unwanted child in an unprepared family?

What kind of attitude is that to take? Do you know how many successful people grew up in poverty? Gabriel Jesus grew up painting the streets of Brazil before the World Cup, now he earns millions playing for Manchester City. Taking a baby's life because it will struggle with poverty
is extreme.

Oh you think every baby can beat the odds? You think everybody can win the lottery and have a chance of upward social mobility? I would not want a child to be born into a world of suffering, the unfeeling dead cells that I aborted goes in the trash and I can pop out another one in a month.

Stop trying to say baby. You are PURPOSEFULLY misrepresenting what is aborted. They aren't babies when they are aborted, they are just a mass of cells with no brain yet.

That sort of wishful thinking is what leads to people being scammed by snake oils salesmen.

Odds? What odds? You don't have to win the lottery to have a chance of upward social mobility. Almost every single child in the first world today has a chance to improve their standard of living and break the cycle of poverty. Thanks to the free education brought in by most first world governments, children have the opportunity to learn, get a qualification and get a job - regardless of their intelligence. The world of suffering you speak of barely exists in the first world, but struggle, of course. Everyone has struggles in life, some greater than others. The fact you speak of a baby, yes a BABY, as unfeeling dead cells that can be thrown in the trash is sickeningly twisted.

I am making it clear what is aborted; a baby. Call it a mass of cells, or whatever meaningless adjectives you wish, but you are still taking the life of an unborn child, whether you like it or not.

Γραμμένο από Croat, 17.07.2017 at 05:57

-snip-

I was done the minute that as a response to valid arguments, sources and graphs i got an emotional, ragefull mess based on logical flaws and scientific illiteracy, that got 7 upvotes. Not wasting more of my precious time, im going back to racist one liners.

Anyway, we had the same conversation last year, nothing has changed from me. Since its you, ill just make a quick reference to my points.

- fetus fails the living orgnism variables.

When you manage to take the fetus outside of the mother and be able to keep it alive on its own, i will change my mind and become pro-life i swear. Until then, its a parasite and i dont care what happens to it.

-bodily autonomy

When we decide as a species that dead people (yes corpses) and unborn "people" have more rights than fully grown, living, adult people then i will become pro-life, i swear.

-overpopulation

When this




and this




change and we have a sustainable population as a species, preferable a balanced one meaning that developed countries have the same fair share of birthrates as the underdeveloped shitholes that have a disproportionate share of the populations, cough Asia, Middle East, Africa, then yes i will reconsider.

Nobody need more unskilled, uneducated, poor immigrants when as a planet we are already running out of resources and exterminate other species. We are not above the planet, if not morally then its a matter of survival.

Waffle, you dont understand what i said. Read it again.

All the other people i cant be bothered talking to. I dont want to get into some forum war. We all have different opinions lets not attack each other over it.

PS KAL YOUR GREEK COUTRY IS NOT WESTERN. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT YOUR NO MAN LAND COUNTRY STFU.

western my ass, you struggle with your billls go back to the ancient times.

Γραμμένο από JF., 17.07.2017 at 19:18

All the other people i cant be bothered talking to. I dont want to get into some forum war. We all have different opinions lets not attack each other over it.

That's the speech of someone who acknowledges the other beat him in the arguments presented

Γραμμένο από JF., 17.07.2017 at 20:40

PS KAL YOUR GREEK COUTRY IS NOT WESTERN. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT YOUR NO MAN LAND COUNTRY STFU.

western my ass, you struggle with your billls go back to the ancient times.

They're pretty westernized tbh

Γραμμένο από JF., 17.07.2017 at 20:40

PS KAL YOUR GREEK COUTRY IS NOT WESTERN. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT YOUR NO MAN LAND COUNTRY STFU.

western my ass, you struggle with your billls go back to the ancient times.

Done with your racist rant, uneducated trash? I presume you never finished highschool, let alone have a college education.

I am not surprised by your expose though, one by one you new wave liberal fascists show your true colors, those of complete ignorance, racism and bigotry.

Sigh.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_culture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Western_civilization
https://www.timemaps.com/civilizations/western-civilization/

When i talk about westerners i talk of Americans, Englush, Germans, French ect...

Not some greek man called khal. Who the fuck is he to speak for them, 3rd world country ha.

And i have not been beat, None of us will ever win, Cause our opinions are always the strongest.

last i will say on the matter.

Γραμμένο από JF., 17.07.2017 at 22:22

When i talk about westerners i talk of Americans, Englush, Germans, French ect...

You dont get to create words and concepts. If you want to abandon Western Civilization, feel free to get the fuck out and create the new Multi-cuck-tural caliphate of the West. Until then, you are in the same West we created.

Γραμμένο από JF., 17.07.2017 at 22:22

Not some greek man called khal. Who the fuck is he to speak for them, 3rd world country ha.

First of all dont imply my gender white trash. Even though you try hard to be as racist as possible, nobody will believe your alternative facts.

Greece was never a 3rd world country, even enduring a financial crisis, still ranks 29th globally at the Human Development Index. Again all you need to do is open a book or a web page, is that so hard?

http://hdr.undp.org/en/countries

Γραμμένο από JF., 17.07.2017 at 22:22

And i have not been beat, None of us will ever win, Cause our opinions are always the strongest.
last i will say on the matter.

Literally every single thing you said in the whole thread, was proven to be factually incorrect. Your opinion is not the strongest, it is just what it is, an opinion. When you finish school you will learn to distinguish between opinion and fact.

Γραμμένο από Khal.eesi, 17.07.2017 at 21:24

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Notice me senpai :E

Γραμμένο από Tundy, 17.07.2017 at 22:44

-snip- <3

Not sure i get your question to be honest

If you are asking why people dont wear condom, its because they are stupid. If you are asking if we can find a more "humane" way to terminate an embryos existance i do not know, i am not a scientist, but i am pretty sure the embryo cant feel pain.

P.S. You do know the refugee crisis is a direct effect of the high fertility rates in Eastern countries, right?

Γραμμένο από Khal.eesi, 17.07.2017 at 22:37

Γραμμένο από JF., 17.07.2017 at 22:22

the new Multi-cuck-tural caliphate of the West (this made me laugh)

Γραμμένο από JF., 17.07.2017 at 22:22

Γραμμένο από JF., 17.07.2017 at 22:22

See Khal? This is the thanks you as people get from 'the real West.'

I don't even wanna hear his opinion on the rest of S-E Europe...