Biggwall problems.

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Γραμμένο από Permamuted, 14.10.2014 at 06:23

why should double walls be banned? you and waffel state it provides an unfair advantage and is unpreventable.

why shouldnt double walls be banned? It is a strategic move that not long after you learn to wall in this game you either think to do yourself or you encounter someone else doing. When i was a low rank i saw it all the time, i had no problem with it then, i have no problem with it now. I just really dont understand where you guys are coming from, Stop making this about "Laochra thinks his opinion is more important". I want you to explain. You say 8 extra units isnt important in a turn 1 expansion? youre both experienced high ranks, how many times have you failed key cities by 1-2 units in your turn 1 opening with the other player stealing your expansion? every unit counts in your turn 1, unless youre turk 8 units is huge. If double walling was so outrageously advantageous, then why dont those of us who do it do it all the time in every country we pick?

There are 2 countries on europe + alone i double wall with ever, the rest i feel it is simply not worth it or a waste of units.

I'm surprised at waffel, someone who is so openly against rushing and constantly complaining about how it is ruining the game, seeking to have a move which discourages rushing and encourages slowrolling to be banned.

Γραμμένο από Goblin, 14.10.2014 at 04:58

• now people who believe that big wall rewalling is unfair and because it cant be prevented in turn 2, are starting to prevent it when its possible, in turn 1 ...by their opinion, that is no less important then yours, this is a legit move to counter your move which you consider legit

this is where we have issues, they are breaking the no first turn wf courtesy most players play by, im pretty sure you guys are in the minority with your views on this. in illyria nobody would do to me what syrian did to me today, same with mk, stalins have shown themselves divided. But you will find that many players will bristle if you deliberately first turn wf them. Most the players who spectated that game today condemned syrians actions, this is why i made my previous post. But i feel like im wasting my time debating this with you guys, unless something is made official. these arguments are pointless.

btw to further elaborate, nobody is right or wrong, you're criticising me for not showing courtesy to you and waffel but you just did the same to w4r. as i said, the first turn wf rules arent official, so technically it is legal to do so. W4r was completely correct to say this. Waffel pretty much hit the nail on the head when he stated that it is a courtesy players who respect each other extend. that is all it is, a courtesy.

I don't get you.. We have showed you WHY we think it must be banned (atleast not accepted in cw's or 3v3 games, but at 3v3 games you can practise and those arent that serious so idgaf about that) Also maybe its not you who uses this wall on other countries besides france/turkey, but I have also seen you using it on ukraine, I have seen skender using it on ukraine/turkey/germany/ I saw acq using it on france/spain/turkey/ukraine. I saw joed using it on spain and ukraine and turkey. Only country I miss is uk and italy, since uk is practicly getting wf'ed by a transport of france or maybe even the wall of france i get this thing, same counts for italy, since its hard to make an innerwall without connecting to the bigger one.

Also this wall might be against rush, but with rush you can open walls or protect your capital, the enemy can make a choice to rush or not. With this wall you cant choose to leave the capital wall open or not -.- since there is only 1 thing, and thats leaving the wall open since you cant open it yourself.. I have tested with Dr.Trollface about the 11 troop wall and 8 troop wall hitting the biggerwall with like 30 bombers so all the troops die and maybe the bombers would go through with the triangle wall, but it didn't work. So its practicly not able to do. You are speaking of whitnesses in spectator chat, you just said opinions dont matter about this subject because you need ''facts or proves or official rule blabla'' but you still say most of the spectators didnt like what syrian did '' Also for the record, Syrian has nothing to do with this, he just followed the orders of his clan leader (me) so if you want to blame someone, blame me.

If people are against something and you know about those people, but still use it, dont get all high horse when they do something to counter it (since this is the only counter availble, even tho when it breaks the rule) Also if the only counter for something is something what is against the rules dont you think its a bit unfair to even exploit it? I think this whole sentence said kinda enough.

+ I have said plenty of times I would start wf'ing it if you used it against us in CW's. Look at your ''own thread'' like you've said.

Wow, after all that i said you still keep on ranting and repeating the same things over and over again.

Calling me to explain things and "i dont know where you guys are coming from" comment...

...is just plain disrespectful after all the talk we had about this and after all my opinions i gave. And calling us a minority ...is not an argumment, neither you can prove it.


I removed from my presented solution all my opinions on rewalling and just guided myself with simple "if someone cant block my move, my move isnt worth nothing".

Opinions and matters of, this country, that country, advantage, disadvantage, etc.etc. i left by the side since no 2 people will ever agree on every single bilion things and possible scenarios in this game .

But what we can do is ...simplify it and make one rule, one simple rule to be the guidence for all possible issues - preventable or not preventable:

• First turn wall fuck - not preventable, should not be used
• Big wall rewalling at turn 2 - not preventable, unless by using the not preventable move above ...should not be used
• Rewalling - preventable, therefor should be allowed from start
• Serbian rewalling - preventable, by use of silly wall fuckin yourself but should be allowed
• Entering someones teritory or breaking in-land walls 1st turn - not preventable, should not be used

Problem? None ...just huge ego's and sttubornes.

Γραμμένο από Waffel, 14.10.2014 at 07:00

. Only country I miss is uk and italy,

i have circle walled rome first turn

Γραμμένο από Waffel, 14.10.2014 at 07:00

You are speaking of whitnesses in spectator chat, you just said opinions dont matter about this subject because you need ''facts or proves or official rule blabla'' but you still say most of the spectators didnt like what syrian did

yes because to reach a conclusion, through democratic processes you need the majority.Thats what the wise good ol Ancient Greeks taught us
Therefore, Lao's comment was on spot.I would suggest you and goblin grow up and stop crying.I hate serbian rewall and i hate getting circle walled by my opponent.I consider them cheap noob tactics and people have used it on cw against me several times.but you dont see me crying about them..much

Γραμμένο από Waffel, 14.10.2014 at 07:00

'' Also for the record, Syrian has nothing to do with this, he just followed the orders of his clan leader (me) so if you want to blame someone, blame me.

Stop the lies waffel lol.The ankara water wallfuck was invented by syrian.He did it against me, in tournament match, when he was still in Illyria.Same thing he did to Lao.And we had a clan discussion condemning Syrians action.Its obvious syrian is just buthurted since then and was afraid to face Lao's turk head to head.


P.S. LOL at the asskissing, when someone agrees with you.How does goblin ass, taste?

Γραμμένο από Khal.eesi, 14.10.2014 at 07:35

Γραμμένο από Waffel, 14.10.2014 at 07:00

Stop the lies waffel lol.The ankara water wallfuck was invented by syrian.He did it against me, in tournament match, when he was still in Illyria.Same thing he did to Lao.And we had a clan discussion condemning Syrians action.Its obvious syrian is just buthurted since then and was afraid to face Lao's turk head to head.

This is exactly what I am saying, you are calling me a liar at this moment which is a big accusation... I told in clanchat to WF joed (spain) and laochra (turkey) which I was 99% sure of that they would do that bigwall.
I said laochra first because east was important in our cw. Syrian said :''Really?? are u sure?'' I said yes, because I am sick and tired of this wall. After I said this, my clanmembers started saying ''wtf? lol?, why?'' After I told them what my reason was, they understood and they agreed with me. I didn't know any of the history between you guys and syrian in illyria, and I like to keep it that way. But calling me a liar is a big accusation, and I have noticed plenty of times you guys calling me a liar for no reason only because I didn't like it or disagreed. I might be a troll or whatever you guys call me, but I am not a liar -.-.

If you dont believe me, go ask a mod/admin to check out our clanchats during the cw, and then apologize to me.
Thankyou verry much.

If this is how you even threat a ''friend'' khaleesi & laochra, then I kinda understand all the problems illyria have caused with evol and other clans.
Maybe instead of pointing to others, first look at yourselfs ...

Guys, didn't we already have this conversation before? Same exact one, same arguments, just with the addition of Syrian wf'ing. I suppose I'll make a post further down the line, but before I do..

Locked till I clean the off topic comments.

edit:
I never liked deleting posts, loss of information is bad in my opinion. However, the 9 I deleted served almost no purpose. Also stop with the tumblr-tier gifs. They do not add anything. Saying "stop cry" is also a terrible way to express yourself. Please expand your vocabulary for arguments sake. Though I have nothing against it, name calling also serves no purpose when you're trying to settle a dispute. Perhaps think of the rest of the thread as you people arguing to improve the game you're playing.

Reopened.

Γραμμένο από Desu, 14.10.2014 at 09:12

Guys, didn't we already have this conversation before? Same exact one, same arguments, just with the addition of Syrian wf'ing. I suppose I'll make a post further down the line, but before I do..

Locked till I clean the off topic comments.

edit:
I never liked deleting posts, loss of information is bad in my opinion. However, the 9 I deleted served almost no purpose. Also stop with the tumblr-tier gifs. They do not add anything. Saying "stop cry" is also a terrible way to express yourself. Please expand your vocabulary for arguments sake. Though I have nothing against it, name calling also serves no purpose when you're trying to settle a dispute. Perhaps think of the rest of the thread as you people arguing to improve the game you're playing.

Reopened.

Thank you for re-opening,
since this arguements has to stop. I am tired of people using this wall over and over and the people who don't like it (the bigger group) just has to stick with it.
Also some of the people their vocabulary isn't that great (myself included) so I express myself the way I possibly can.

Γραμμένο από Desu, 14.10.2014 at 09:12

Also stop with the tumblr-tier gifs. They do not add anything. Saying "stop cry" is also a terrible way to express yourself. Please expand your vocabulary for arguments sake.

Reopened.

nice kill joy.If you missed this desu, we just publicly announced, that even if we argue, we love each other.We just did it through gifs.You might not like it for your own reasons, maybe you are boring, who knows, but i know alot of people who do like them.And they provide aesthetics and fun.Its not all about being serious all the time.Laughter is life.Life is Fun! <3

Γραμμένο από Khal.eesi, 14.10.2014 at 09:35

nice kill joy.If you missed this desu, we just publicly announced, that even if we argue, we love each other.We just did it through gifs.You might not like it for your own reasons, maybe you are boring, who knows, but i know alot of people who do like them.And they provide aesthetics and fun.Its not all about being serious all the time.Laughter is life.Life is Fun! <3

Still, does kind of things belong to off-topic ...i actually wanted to post, ok enough with gif fighting or mods will lock this before desu did it.

To get back on track, my proposition is simple one, opposed to continuation of clashing personal opinions that we dont agree on and never will.

One simple rule to be the guidence for all possible issues involving moves in competitive games:

If a move cant be directly prevented in limits of game mechanics and according to game mechanics, by using your own moves and units, the move is forbiden from usage.*
* this does not include prevention of a move by using an unpreventable move yourself

More simply then my autistic definition ...preventable or unpreventable move?

By this i divide discussed moves into:

Preventable:
• Rewalling, wallglitching
• Serbian rewalling

Not preventable:
• Big wall rewalling on turn 2
• First turn wall fucks of any walls in your opponents teritory
• Entering someones teritory on turn 1


So, we can continue to argue about our personal feels with never ending discussion, or we can agree to accept a simple rule that can solve this and possible issues we might have about future moves.

My eyes hurt reading this thread, my brain too. I will always be of the opinion that a walled city is more important than any outer walls, as far as I feel outer walls are legit to be WF (if not in territory) so on a border is fine if it doesn't interfere with a city. As I said in previous thread, this is not roleplay and you are choosing to make that wall so therefore are also choosing to run the risk of the tactic not working. (preventable as goblin puts it). The way I see the situation with Syrian is this, basically he predicted what you would do and countered it without interfering with your cities or being on your territory, sadly for you your tactic failed. WP Syrian really on researching his enemy

Γραμμένο από b0nker2, 14.10.2014 at 10:21

My eyes hurt reading this thread, my brain too. I will always be of the opinion that a walled city is more important than any outer walls, as far as I feel outer walls are legit to be WF (if not in territory) so on a border is fine if it doesn't interfere with a city. As I said in previous thread, this is not roleplay and you are choosing to make that wall so therefore are also choosing to run the risk of the tactic not working. (preventable as goblin puts it). The way I see the situation with Syrian is this, basically he predicted what you would do and countered it without interfering with your cities or being on your territory, sadly for you your tactic failed. WP Syrian really on researching his enemy

Well said, and he did it in such a way where he didn't invade his land turn one. Props
Innovation at it's best.

Γραμμένο από Goblin, 14.10.2014 at 10:01

Not preventable:
• Big wall rewalling on turn 2
• First turn wall fucks of any walls in your opponents teritory
• Entering someones teritory on turn 1

How to prevent theses moves:

1) Wallfuck the big wall.
2) Dont wall.

I dont see the problem with 3. I mean, you need to cross ukraine for research moscow as blitz turkey. You also need to cross between french sea territory for go rome as spain (exept NC or blitz spain).

Also as an 'older' player I find this debate highly amusing. You guys can't imagine CW's where Turkey could put 80 units on Kiev cap turn 1, or where units were not passable and you had layers and layers of units that you had to kill to even get close to their cap, not just hit them actually destory them. Really I dislike this 'watering down' of legitimate plays (almost RP in my eyes), as I said my only gripe would be intentional wfs on cities turn 1 now.

Γραμμένο από clovis1122, 14.10.2014 at 10:32

Γραμμένο από Goblin, 14.10.2014 at 10:01

Not preventable:
• Big wall rewalling on turn 2
• First turn wall fucks of any walls in your opponents teritory
• Entering someones teritory on turn 1

How to prevent theses moves:

1) Wallfuck the big wall.
2) Dont wall.

I dont see the problem with 3. I mean, you need to cross ukraine for research moscow as blitz turkey. You also need to cross between french sea territory for go rome as spain (exept NC or blitz spain).

There is a slight problem with your number 1 clovis ...

Read it one more time • Big wall rewalling ON TURN 2 (TWO!!!) ...meaning, there is already a big wall you DIDNT wall fuck.

Besides i said... dont use unpreventable moves to wall fuck your opponent teritories.

Cross ukraine, cross france sea? ...cross is not the same as leaving a unit in ukraine. ...face palming hard my friend.

Γραμμένο από Goblin, 14.10.2014 at 10:39

Γραμμένο από clovis1122, 14.10.2014 at 10:32

Γραμμένο από Goblin, 14.10.2014 at 10:01

Not preventable:
• Big wall rewalling on turn 2
• First turn wall fucks of any walls in your opponents teritory
• Entering someones teritory on turn 1

How to prevent theses moves:

1) Wallfuck the big wall.
2) Dont wall.

I dont see the problem with 3. I mean, you need to cross ukraine for research moscow as blitz turkey. You also need to cross between french sea territory for go rome as spain (exept NC or blitz spain).

There is a slight problem with your number 1 clovis ...

Read it one more time • Big wall rewalling ON TURN 2 (TWO!!!) ...meaning, there is already a big wall you DIDNT wall fuck.

Besides i said... dont use unpreventable moves to wall fuck your opponent teritories.

Cross ukraine, cross france sea? ...cross is not the same as leaving a unit in ukraine. ...face palming hard my friend.

Leave an unit is not the same as entering though. And the big wall rewalling on turn 2 follow the same logic as " If you got capped in a hold capital for 2 turns games, then try recapping after 3 turns. I mean, if the wall is already there you cant prevent it ( in the same way if you are dead you can not recap).

Γραμμένο από clovis1122, 14.10.2014 at 10:57

Leave an unit is not the same as entering though.
I mean, if the wall is already there you cant prevent it

Clovis are you trolling me or something?

- i say big wall rewalling turn 2 in not preventable
- then you respond to me saying it can be prevented by turn 1 wall fuck
- i say that im not talking about turn 1 but turn 2 when the wall is set up
- and finaly you are convincing me now that its not preventable on turn 2 and explaining it to me

Wtf is wrong with you.

Γραμμένο από Goblin, 14.10.2014 at 11:13

Γραμμένο από clovis1122, 14.10.2014 at 10:57

Leave an unit is not the same as entering though.
I mean, if the wall is already there you cant prevent it

Clovis are you trolling me or something?

- i say big wall rewalling turn 2 in not preventable
- then you respond to me saying it can be prevented by turn 1 wall fuck
- i say that im not talking about turn 1 but turn 2 when the wall is set up
- and finaly you are convincing me now that its not preventable on turn 2 and explaining it to me

Wtf is wrong with you.

XDDD even when I have clovis ignored, he can still give me a laughterr xDDDDDDD lmao. goblins reaction is 5/5 time to unignore clovis.

But goblin to be honest I slightly agree with clovis on your point 3.
Since if you want to rush moscow from istanbull or whatever, your AT probs cant go further than those ukraine cities, ptnerptrok or something. But most expansions have first turn 1 have nothing in main country, so this rule is same as dont kill any human in reallife. Standard rule, ofc there are sick people who will break it.

But to talk 5 hours about what you can and cant do before playing cw is a big no go, because im sure its not gonna work.

Γραμμένο από Waffel, 14.10.2014 at 11:23

But goblin to be honest I slightly agree with clovis on your point 3.
Since if you want to rush moscow from istanbull or whatever, your AT probs cant go further than those ukraine cities, ptnerptrok or something.

Are you two noobs actually serious?

Have you ever played blitz turkey or rushed RC? ...AT reaches half the RC teritory ...from istanbul? xD

Point ...i have done countless times and invented blitz turkey rush on RC and never have my troops ...been left in ukraine.

Γραμμένο από Goblin, 14.10.2014 at 11:31

Γραμμένο από Waffel, 14.10.2014 at 11:23

But goblin to be honest I slightly agree with clovis on your point 3.
Since if you want to rush moscow from istanbull or whatever, your AT probs cant go further than those ukraine cities, ptnerptrok or something.

Are you two noobs actually serious?

Have you ever played blitz turkey or rushed RC? ...AT reaches half the RC teritory ...from istanbul? xD

Point ...i have done countless times and invented blitz turkey rush on RC and never have my troops ...been left in ukraine.

And crossing through land isnt the same as landing, the landing has the potential to wf the land, while passing through it does nothing to walls around say kiev, if it does wf then its clearly an intentional troll who doesnt deserve to play in serious CWs

Γραμμένο από Quantum027, 14.10.2014 at 11:37

And crossing through land isnt the same as landing, the landing has the potential to wf the land, while passing through it does nothing to walls around say kiev, if it does wf then its clearly an intentional troll who doesnt deserve to play in serious CWs

Of course is not, jesus ...fine i said "entering", ok "leaving your units in opponents teritory turn 1" ...everyone happy?

Seriously ...im being trolled because i used a wrong word by Clovis? ...by Clovis

Γραμμένο από Goblin, 14.10.2014 at 11:44

Γραμμένο από Quantum027, 14.10.2014 at 11:37

And crossing through land isnt the same as landing, the landing has the potential to wf the land, while passing through it does nothing to walls around say kiev, if it does wf then its clearly an intentional troll who doesnt deserve to play in serious CWs

Of course is not, jesus ...fine i said "entering", ok "leaving your units in opponents teritory turn 1" ...everyone happy?

Seriously ...im being trolled because i used a wrong word by Clovis? ...by Clovis

I think clovis didn't even know what entered means XDDD lalalal

If this is the "serious" conversation that followed the troll/gif removed comments...then sorry but i would take my gifs anyday carry on please this is very interesting

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Most the players who spectated that game today condemned syrians actions



nice lie

Γραμμένο από Permamuted, 14.10.2014 at 04:03

For one thread only waffel, i am going to take the time to respond to everything youve said, since i just logged on to 3 notifications from you from the same thread.

Γραμμένο από Waffel, 13.10.2014 at 14:14

People use this bigg wall turn 1, and triangle wall turn 2. Its unfair to the other people who cant open the capital wall for 2 turns.
And if people WF the bigg wall turn 1, without attacking their capital, and just wf it turn 2 too they get mad. Lmao.
I don't get this logic-.-?

why is it unfair, they get the advantage of their cap walled an extra turn? why is this more unfair than if their wf gets tb'd? If a cap walled an extra turn devastates your game then i can only conclude your gameplay is too focused upon turn 3 cap pressure and you need to make changes and react. Ask yourself, why did they bigall, where are their troops, do they intend to expand do i need to stack my cap much. should i expand?

it is absurd to claim a legitimate strategic move is unfair, theres a tonne of moves a player can carry out in the early turns to obtain an advantage over their opponent, why should this move be different? why should these walls be banned? because you dont like or cant handle them?
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Well its more unfair because they cant simply even try to open your wall, they CANT do anything against that wall, like I said, how is something ''legit'' when the only counter is something that is '''not legit' (turn 1 wf) the turn 1 WF is the one and ONLY counter for this wall, no any excuse cant make that sound worse or better. Also my gameplay is not to focused about turn 3, but its unfair that you can get 1 free turn more than all of us (especially in cw's, since every turn could decide the game) to expand or focus on deffending, atleast not putting any units in you capital, while MOST of the players have to put or all or 1/2 or atleast something in their capitals in turn 3. Im not saying everybody does because some play safe, some play risky.
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And you said >legitimate strategic, who made it ''legitimate''? you tell me im saying its not legit, but who are you that says it is? and also those moves a player can make to obtain an advantage over their opponent is something about how the player plays, your wall does not need any skills, it isnt hard at all, only because it takes 5+ troops doesnt allow you to obtain an free turn....

Γραμμένο από Waffel, 13.10.2014 at 14:14

You guys are hypocrite, I remember u guys doing this belarus rush from turkey, by doing that rush you guys WF odessa and all of you know it but still did it. Then you guys said we wont attack it turn 2 so its legit, same counts for this. Only this time it happends TOWARD you not from you, and that fact you simply cant accept. I call it selfish and hypocrite. Only counter to open that wall in turn 2, is by wfing it turn 1.

who are you adressing the section of this post to, you quoted me so i must assume youre speaking to both me and illyria. I personally have never used the belarus rush. The only players who i have witnessed carry out this attack and invade enemy tterritory turn 1 are madara and Plato, note that a thread condemning madaras etiquette breach was made recently. No illyrians use this move, so with that accusation proving to be a lie i am not sure how you can call us selfish hypocrites....
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Syrian used to do it alot when he was in illyria, ive seen skender doing the same too..

Γραμμένο από Goblin, 14.10.2014 at 07:21

Wow, after all that i said you still keep on ranting and repeating the same things over and over again.

Calling me to explain things and "i dont know where you guys are coming from" comment...

...is just plain disrespectful after all the talk we had about this and after all my opinions i gave. And calling us a minority ...is not an argumment, neither you can prove it.


I removed from my presented solution all my opinions on rewalling and just guided myself with simple "if someone cant block my move, my move isnt worth nothing".

Opinions and matters of, this country, that country, advantage, disadvantage, etc.etc. i left by the side since no 2 people will ever agree on every single bilion things and possible scenarios in this game .

But what we can do is ...simplify it and make one rule, one simple rule to be the guidence for all possible issues - preventable or not preventable:

• First turn wall fuck - not preventable, should not be used
• Big wall rewalling at turn 2 - not preventable, unless by using the not preventable move above ...should not be used
• Rewalling - preventable, therefor should be allowed from start
• Serbian rewalling - preventable, by use of silly wall fuckin yourself but should be allowed
• Entering someones teritory or breaking in-land walls 1st turn - not preventable, should not be used

Problem? None ...just huge ego's and sttubornes.

thanks

Γραμμένο από AlBoZzZ, 13.10.2014 at 18:54

My opinion about this matter is that wf turn is legal and anyone can do it.

Not wfing turn 1 is an agreement between players.

We can argue about this but we all know that it wasn't "accidentally" wfed based by knowing syrian i say he did it on purpose. So basically syrian broke the agreement we had and i hope syndicate leaders do something about this and making sure it never happens again. I dont think anyone here respect syrian and his stupid friends like death,monkey,mother but with what syrian did ,he burned the hopes of anyone ever respecting him.


As for laos wall its also legal. He can do that in each turn if he wants, whatchu gonna do? Cry about it or report to mods? There is no agreement between players of avoiding that big wall so far. Big wall its pretty smart cuz he gets to defend cap one more extra turn.

I hope someone wfes syrian turn 1 in cw, so that we can all get to work by decoding and translating what syrian will writte in his crying thread after cw lol

stfu retard
like you are respected by someone knew you 3min ago?
gtfo

Γραμμένο από Khal.eesi, 14.10.2014 at 11:50

If this is the "serious" conversation that followed the troll/gif removed comments...then sorry but i would take my gifs anyday carry on please this is very interesting

please stop crying to support your clan mate
Thanks

you did this to me in ladder challenge so stfu

Γραμμένο από Waffel, 14.10.2014 at 07:00

I don't get you.. We have showed you WHY we think it must be banned (atleast not accepted in cw's or 3v3 games, but at 3v3 games you can practise and those arent that serious so idgaf about that) Also maybe its not you who uses this wall on other countries besides france/turkey, but I have also seen you using it on ukraine, I have seen skender using it on ukraine/turkey/germany/ I saw acq using it on france/spain/turkey/ukraine. I saw joed using it on spain and ukraine and turkey.

stop lying, i never ever used a double wall on ukraine, and also stop attempting to villify illyria, ive seen members all over the competitive community use double walls, in every clan. This is nothing new, its only now you guys are starting to first turn wf people who do them.

Γραμμένο από Goblin, 14.10.2014 at 07:21

...is just plain disrespectful after all the talk we had about this and after all my opinions i gave. And calling us a minority ...is not an argumment, neither you can prove it.

why are you taking it as disrespect... you clearly dont understand where im coming from, or just disagree, i'm not particularly offended by this...A move thats used all over aw for years, and its only now that waffel has begun issuing orders to first turn wf users...

Γραμμένο από Waffel, 14.10.2014 at 07:47

If this is how you even threat a ''friend'' khaleesi & laochra, then I kinda understand all the problems illyria have caused with evol and other clans.
Maybe instead of pointing to others, first look at yourselfs ...

this illyria bashing, who are these other clans? let it just be noted the only clan illyria had issues with before this was evol, and i say evol, i mean mou, its always mou.

but congrats, let it just be known that waffel tellls his clanmembers to now first turn wf opponents for walls players have been doing for 4 years.

also pity i missed the gifs =/

Γραμμένο από SyrianDevil, 14.10.2014 at 12:44

Γραμμένο από Khal.eesi, 14.10.2014 at 11:50

If this is the "serious" conversation that followed the troll/gif removed comments...then sorry but i would take my gifs anyday carry on please this is very interesting

please stop crying to support your clan mate
Thanks

you did this to me in ladder challenge so stfu

With your logic, i can wf every single capital in europe, but kiev and madrid.

Γραμμένο από SyrianDevil, 14.10.2014 at 12:39

Γραμμένο από AlBoZzZ, 13.10.2014 at 18:54

My opinion about this matter is that wf turn is legal and anyone can do it.

Not wfing turn 1 is an agreement between players.

We can argue about this but we all know that it wasn't "accidentally" wfed based by knowing syrian i say he did it on purpose. So basically syrian broke the agreement we had and i hope syndicate leaders do something about this and making sure it never happens again. I dont think anyone here respect syrian and his stupid friends like death,monkey,mother but with what syrian did ,he burned the hopes of anyone ever respecting him.


As for laos wall its also legal. He can do that in each turn if he wants, whatchu gonna do? Cry about it or report to mods? There is no agreement between players of avoiding that big wall so far. Big wall its pretty smart cuz he gets to defend cap one more extra turn.

I hope someone wfes syrian turn 1 in cw, so that we can all get to work by decoding and translating what syrian will writte in his crying thread after cw lol

stfu retard
like you are respected by someone knew you 3min ago?
gtfo

Ok lets start decoding your English