LB Nerf

Γραμμένο από Lelouch., 21.05.2018 at 15:50

Γραμμένο από Leo, 21.05.2018 at 15:20

Γραμμένο από Lelouch., 21.05.2018 at 12:15

Either reduce the crit or increase the cost of LB. The strat is too consistently good in all stages of the game, whether early game, middle game or late game.

Compare LB to Imp for a moment. Both strats seem to be each other's counterparts. Imp gets -30 cost for -1 atk, but LB get more or less +1 atk/def for only +10 cost??? Doesn't add up, as you can see.

Making LB +30 instead would seem like the obvious way to solve this issue then. But that's not very reasonable. Sure... you can argue that the +1 atk/def buff that LB has is inconsistent. But, the buff is not inconsistent enough to not pose a problem. The rolls in this game can already be considered fucked up as they are bu some, even before LB got the buff. Stuff like this just makes the game more about chance and less about skill.

Don't listen to me though. I've only been playing for 2 months.

The +10 cost is fine, what isn't fine is the fact that inf and milli doesn't have that nerf, which makes the strat absurdly strong and spammable. The best bet is to add a +5 cost imo, doesn't make the strat dumpster tier, but still prevents spamming.

What about making a significant increase to unit maintenance cost?
The initial price of units isn't the only thing that can be changed.

good idea

Γραμμένο από 4nic, 21.05.2018 at 16:08

Γραμμένο από Lelouch., 21.05.2018 at 15:50

Γραμμένο από Leo, 21.05.2018 at 15:20

Γραμμένο από Lelouch., 21.05.2018 at 12:15

Either reduce the crit or increase the cost of LB. The strat is too consistently good in all stages of the game, whether early game, middle game or late game.

Compare LB to Imp for a moment. Both strats seem to be each other's counterparts. Imp gets -30 cost for -1 atk, but LB get more or less +1 atk/def for only +10 cost??? Doesn't add up, as you can see.

Making LB +30 instead would seem like the obvious way to solve this issue then. But that's not very reasonable. Sure... you can argue that the +1 atk/def buff that LB has is inconsistent. But, the buff is not inconsistent enough to not pose a problem. The rolls in this game can already be considered fucked up as they are bu some, even before LB got the buff. Stuff like this just makes the game more about chance and less about skill.

Don't listen to me though. I've only been playing for 2 months.

The +10 cost is fine, what isn't fine is the fact that inf and milli doesn't have that nerf, which makes the strat absurdly strong and spammable. The best bet is to add a +5 cost imo, doesn't make the strat dumpster tier, but still prevents spamming.

What about making a significant increase to unit maintenance cost?
The initial price of units isn't the only thing that can be changed.

good idea

DONT FUCKING TOUCH MAINTENANCE COST.

Γραμμένο από boywind2, 21.05.2018 at 16:21

Γραμμένο από 4nic, 21.05.2018 at 16:08

Γραμμένο από Lelouch., 21.05.2018 at 15:50

Γραμμένο από Leo, 21.05.2018 at 15:20

Γραμμένο από Lelouch., 21.05.2018 at 12:15

Either reduce the crit or increase the cost of LB. The strat is too consistently good in all stages of the game, whether early game, middle game or late game.

Compare LB to Imp for a moment. Both strats seem to be each other's counterparts. Imp gets -30 cost for -1 atk, but LB get more or less +1 atk/def for only +10 cost??? Doesn't add up, as you can see.

Making LB +30 instead would seem like the obvious way to solve this issue then. But that's not very reasonable. Sure... you can argue that the +1 atk/def buff that LB has is inconsistent. But, the buff is not inconsistent enough to not pose a problem. The rolls in this game can already be considered fucked up as they are bu some, even before LB got the buff. Stuff like this just makes the game more about chance and less about skill.

Don't listen to me though. I've only been playing for 2 months.

The +10 cost is fine, what isn't fine is the fact that inf and milli doesn't have that nerf, which makes the strat absurdly strong and spammable. The best bet is to add a +5 cost imo, doesn't make the strat dumpster tier, but still prevents spamming.

What about making a significant increase to unit maintenance cost?
The initial price of units isn't the only thing that can be changed.

good idea

DONT FUCKING TOUCH MAINTENANCE COST.

and why not

Γραμμένο από 4nic, 21.05.2018 at 16:08

Γραμμένο από Lelouch., 21.05.2018 at 15:50

Γραμμένο από Leo, 21.05.2018 at 15:20

Γραμμένο από Lelouch., 21.05.2018 at 12:15

Either reduce the crit or increase the cost of LB. The strat is too consistently good in all stages of the game, whether early game, middle game or late game.

Compare LB to Imp for a moment. Both strats seem to be each other's counterparts. Imp gets -30 cost for -1 atk, but LB get more or less +1 atk/def for only +10 cost??? Doesn't add up, as you can see.

Making LB +30 instead would seem like the obvious way to solve this issue then. But that's not very reasonable. Sure... you can argue that the +1 atk/def buff that LB has is inconsistent. But, the buff is not inconsistent enough to not pose a problem. The rolls in this game can already be considered fucked up as they are bu some, even before LB got the buff. Stuff like this just makes the game more about chance and less about skill.

Don't listen to me though. I've only been playing for 2 months.

The +10 cost is fine, what isn't fine is the fact that inf and milli doesn't have that nerf, which makes the strat absurdly strong and spammable. The best bet is to add a +5 cost imo, doesn't make the strat dumpster tier, but still prevents spamming.

What about making a significant increase to unit maintenance cost?
The initial price of units isn't the only thing that can be changed.

good idea

Thanks. It literally just came to me as I was making the comment xD
Tell your friends about it

Γραμμένο από 4nic, 21.05.2018 at 16:24

Γραμμένο από boywind2, 21.05.2018 at 16:21

Γραμμένο από 4nic, 21.05.2018 at 16:08

Γραμμένο από Lelouch., 21.05.2018 at 15:50

Γραμμένο από Leo, 21.05.2018 at 15:20

Γραμμένο από Lelouch., 21.05.2018 at 12:15

Either reduce the crit or increase the cost of LB. The strat is too consistently good in all stages of the game, whether early game, middle game or late game.

Compare LB to Imp for a moment. Both strats seem to be each other's counterparts. Imp gets -30 cost for -1 atk, but LB get more or less +1 atk/def for only +10 cost??? Doesn't add up, as you can see.

Making LB +30 instead would seem like the obvious way to solve this issue then. But that's not very reasonable. Sure... you can argue that the +1 atk/def buff that LB has is inconsistent. But, the buff is not inconsistent enough to not pose a problem. The rolls in this game can already be considered fucked up as they are bu some, even before LB got the buff. Stuff like this just makes the game more about chance and less about skill.

Don't listen to me though. I've only been playing for 2 months.

The +10 cost is fine, what isn't fine is the fact that inf and milli doesn't have that nerf, which makes the strat absurdly strong and spammable. The best bet is to add a +5 cost imo, doesn't make the strat dumpster tier, but still prevents spamming.

What about making a significant increase to unit maintenance cost?
The initial price of units isn't the only thing that can be changed.

good idea

DONT FUCKING TOUCH MAINTENANCE COST.

and why not

because then you cant stay in kiev with 40 lb inf that can stop an 80 unit turk rush for 10 turns without going bankrupt......







D

Γραμμένο από Checkmate., 21.05.2018 at 16:31

Γραμμένο από 4nic, 21.05.2018 at 16:24

Γραμμένο από boywind2, 21.05.2018 at 16:21

Γραμμένο από 4nic, 21.05.2018 at 16:08

Γραμμένο από Lelouch., 21.05.2018 at 15:50

Γραμμένο από Leo, 21.05.2018 at 15:20

Γραμμένο από Lelouch., 21.05.2018 at 12:15

Either reduce the crit or increase the cost of LB. The strat is too consistently good in all stages of the game, whether early game, middle game or late game.

Compare LB to Imp for a moment. Both strats seem to be each other's counterparts. Imp gets -30 cost for -1 atk, but LB get more or less +1 atk/def for only +10 cost??? Doesn't add up, as you can see.

Making LB +30 instead would seem like the obvious way to solve this issue then. But that's not very reasonable. Sure... you can argue that the +1 atk/def buff that LB has is inconsistent. But, the buff is not inconsistent enough to not pose a problem. The rolls in this game can already be considered fucked up as they are bu some, even before LB got the buff. Stuff like this just makes the game more about chance and less about skill.

Don't listen to me though. I've only been playing for 2 months.

The +10 cost is fine, what isn't fine is the fact that inf and milli doesn't have that nerf, which makes the strat absurdly strong and spammable. The best bet is to add a +5 cost imo, doesn't make the strat dumpster tier, but still prevents spamming.

What about making a significant increase to unit maintenance cost?
The initial price of units isn't the only thing that can be changed.

good idea

DONT FUCKING TOUCH MAINTENANCE COST.

and why not

because then you cant stay in kiev with 40 lb inf that can stop an 80 unit turk rush for 10 turns without going bankrupt......







D

a slight maintenance change wont affect it that much

Γραμμένο από Checkmate., 21.05.2018 at 16:31

Γραμμένο από 4nic, 21.05.2018 at 16:24

Γραμμένο από boywind2, 21.05.2018 at 16:21

Γραμμένο από 4nic, 21.05.2018 at 16:08

Γραμμένο από Lelouch., 21.05.2018 at 15:50

Γραμμένο από Leo, 21.05.2018 at 15:20

Γραμμένο από Lelouch., 21.05.2018 at 12:15

Either reduce the crit or increase the cost of LB. The strat is too consistently good in all stages of the game, whether early game, middle game or late game.

Compare LB to Imp for a moment. Both strats seem to be each other's counterparts. Imp gets -30 cost for -1 atk, but LB get more or less +1 atk/def for only +10 cost??? Doesn't add up, as you can see.

Making LB +30 instead would seem like the obvious way to solve this issue then. But that's not very reasonable. Sure... you can argue that the +1 atk/def buff that LB has is inconsistent. But, the buff is not inconsistent enough to not pose a problem. The rolls in this game can already be considered fucked up as they are bu some, even before LB got the buff. Stuff like this just makes the game more about chance and less about skill.

Don't listen to me though. I've only been playing for 2 months.

The +10 cost is fine, what isn't fine is the fact that inf and milli doesn't have that nerf, which makes the strat absurdly strong and spammable. The best bet is to add a +5 cost imo, doesn't make the strat dumpster tier, but still prevents spamming.

What about making a significant increase to unit maintenance cost?
The initial price of units isn't the only thing that can be changed.

good idea

DONT FUCKING TOUCH MAINTENANCE COST.

and why not

because then you cant stay in kiev with 40 lb inf that can stop an 80 unit turk rush for 10 turns without going bankrupt......







D

Still, it's an option worth exploring. It can potentially balance out LB's ridiculous power during the late game when the unit amount is higher.

Γραμμένο από Lelouch., 21.05.2018 at 13:23

Γραμμένο από sfhgo, 21.05.2018 at 13:01

Γραμμένο από Lelouch., 21.05.2018 at 12:15

Compare LB to Imp for a moment. Both strats seem to be each other's counterparts. Imp gets -30 cost for -1 atk, but LB get more or less +1 atk/def for only +10 cost??? Doesn't add up, as you can see.

Well Imp makes the units more cost efficient?

Correct. What's your point?

More cost efficient = more spam = stronger
30+ cost for lb would be terrible cause units less cost efficient

Γραμμένο από sfhgo, 21.05.2018 at 16:42

Γραμμένο από Lelouch., 21.05.2018 at 13:23

Γραμμένο από sfhgo, 21.05.2018 at 13:01

Γραμμένο από Lelouch., 21.05.2018 at 12:15

Compare LB to Imp for a moment. Both strats seem to be each other's counterparts. Imp gets -30 cost for -1 atk, but LB get more or less +1 atk/def for only +10 cost??? Doesn't add up, as you can see.

Well Imp makes the units more cost efficient?

Correct. What's your point?

More cost efficient = more spam = stronger
30+ cost for lb would be terrible cause units less cost efficient

That's where the problem comes in.

Γραμμένο από Lelouch., 21.05.2018 at 15:50

Γραμμένο από Leo, 21.05.2018 at 15:20

Γραμμένο από Lelouch., 21.05.2018 at 12:15

Either reduce the crit or increase the cost of LB. The strat is too consistently good in all stages of the game, whether early game, middle game or late game.

Compare LB to Imp for a moment. Both strats seem to be each other's counterparts. Imp gets -30 cost for -1 atk, but LB get more or less +1 atk/def for only +10 cost??? Doesn't add up, as you can see.

Making LB +30 instead would seem like the obvious way to solve this issue then. But that's not very reasonable. Sure... you can argue that the +1 atk/def buff that LB has is inconsistent. But, the buff is not inconsistent enough to not pose a problem. The rolls in this game can already be considered fucked up as they are bu some, even before LB got the buff. Stuff like this just makes the game more about chance and less about skill.

Don't listen to me though. I've only been playing for 2 months.

The +10 cost is fine, what isn't fine is the fact that inf and milli doesn't have that nerf, which makes the strat absurdly strong and spammable. The best bet is to add a +5 cost imo, doesn't make the strat dumpster tier, but still prevents spamming.

What about making a significant increase to unit maintenance cost?
The initial price of units isn't the only thing that can be changed.

would be pretty interesting, tbh tho we don't have much documentation on how maintenance work. It's a obscure mechanic that could play a big role into changing the meta of this game.

Γραμμένο από Leo, 21.05.2018 at 18:08

Γραμμένο από Lelouch., 21.05.2018 at 15:50

Γραμμένο από Leo, 21.05.2018 at 15:20

Γραμμένο από Lelouch., 21.05.2018 at 12:15

Either reduce the crit or increase the cost of LB. The strat is too consistently good in all stages of the game, whether early game, middle game or late game.

Compare LB to Imp for a moment. Both strats seem to be each other's counterparts. Imp gets -30 cost for -1 atk, but LB get more or less +1 atk/def for only +10 cost??? Doesn't add up, as you can see.

Making LB +30 instead would seem like the obvious way to solve this issue then. But that's not very reasonable. Sure... you can argue that the +1 atk/def buff that LB has is inconsistent. But, the buff is not inconsistent enough to not pose a problem. The rolls in this game can already be considered fucked up as they are bu some, even before LB got the buff. Stuff like this just makes the game more about chance and less about skill.

Don't listen to me though. I've only been playing for 2 months.

The +10 cost is fine, what isn't fine is the fact that inf and milli doesn't have that nerf, which makes the strat absurdly strong and spammable. The best bet is to add a +5 cost imo, doesn't make the strat dumpster tier, but still prevents spamming.

What about making a significant increase to unit maintenance cost?
The initial price of units isn't the only thing that can be changed.

would be pretty interesting, tbh tho we don't have much documentation on how maintenance work. It's a obscure mechanic that could play a big role into changing the meta of this game.

The only obscure thing about unit maintainance was the cost upgrade which was found to be faulty and fixed.

Γραμμένο από Lelouch., 21.05.2018 at 15:50

What about making a significant increase to unit maintenance cost?
The initial price of units isn't the only thing that can be changed.

A worthwhile avenue to explore but right now i believe unit maint is coded to be directly tied to unit cost and changing that would require more admin work than merely changing a few numbers. And right now i don't think that's going to fly.

I love LB, no nerfing. I used it before it was cool.

Γραμμένο από TheCourier6, 21.05.2018 at 21:02

I love LB, no nerfing. I used it before it was cool.

Noobs be fucking other strats so their beloved DS can always reign supreme and cuz they dont like the way gambling with lb is, when its called lucky bastard xD

Γραμμένο από sirivann, 22.05.2018 at 18:29

Noobs be fucking other strats so their beloved DS can always reign supreme and cuz they dont like the way gambling with lb is, when its called lucky bastard xD

of course most of you noob scenario players will be against a LB nerf
what else are you going to play in ww1 as prussia uk france wg serbia austria
or in your cancerous neurondgung or whatever its called ww2 map

Γραμμένο από sirivann, 22.05.2018 at 18:29

Noobs be fucking other strats so their beloved DS can always reign supreme and cuz they dont like the way gambling with lb is, when its called lucky bastard xD

You know immediately what youre going to see on a players profile if they defend lb. Another shameless abuser. What a disgrace.

Γραμμένο από Permamuted, 22.05.2018 at 21:04

Γραμμένο από sirivann, 22.05.2018 at 18:29

Noobs be fucking other strats so their beloved DS can always reign supreme and cuz they dont like the way gambling with lb is, when its called lucky bastard xD

You know immediately what youre going to see on a players profile if they defend lb. Another shameless abuser. What a disgrace.

Sorry we play more games than you. If you actively played you'd most likely have it on your profile too. Logic is sound. Don't say "I play cws". You don't play enough games for it to change your preferred strategies because you've already played so many previous games.

LB is not OP when it comes to rolls, it just needs to cost more. Think we've gone over this and seems a lot of other people agree.

Γραμμένο από PleaseMe, 22.05.2018 at 21:47

Sorry we play more games than you. If you actively played you'd most likely have it on your profile too. Logic is sound. Don't say "I play cws". You don't play enough games for it to change your preferred strategies because you've already played so many previous games.

LB is not OP when it comes to rolls, it just needs to cost more. Think we've gone over this and seems a lot of other people agree.

Nice getting defensive and then proceeding to admonish me for a response i never would've given. I know lb would enter my top 3 if i played more. I dueled quite a bit last season and remained over 1600 elo. Currently ds lb gw and imp are my most played. They are top of the meta at the moment and cover almost all maps, niches and settings. If you're not using them youre not going to succeed in the competitive scene right now.

People like sirivann and himmel have it in their top 3 as theyre scenario players. If you've half a brain and you play scenarios then pd imp blitz lb and maybe ironfist should be in your top 3. LB must be the reigning king of scenario strats at the moment.

"LB is not op when it comes to rolls, it just needs to cost more." I can't make heads or tails of this sentence. It's a contradiction. If lb is not op when it comes to rolls then why on earth does it need to cost more? Are you arguing with me just for the sake of it?

I don't care that lb is in your top 3. Just stop lying and throwing insults around and try for some objectivity.

Γραμμένο από Permamuted, 22.05.2018 at 21:04

Γραμμένο από sirivann, 22.05.2018 at 18:29

Noobs be fucking other strats so their beloved DS can always reign supreme and cuz they dont like the way gambling with lb is, when its called lucky bastard xD

You know immediately what youre going to see on a players profile if they defend lb. Another shameless abuser. What a disgrace.

So i am a gw abuser?

Omg you guys are cancer

Γραμμένο από Ghost, 23.05.2018 at 06:38

Omg you guys are cancer

omg!

LB is for nubs who cant play IMP

Γραμμένο από ITSGG1122, 23.05.2018 at 09:48

LB is for nubs who cant play IMP

Thank you lordsanik for your contribution.

Γραμμένο από Permamuted, 22.05.2018 at 23:12

Γραμμένο από PleaseMe, 22.05.2018 at 21:47

"LB is not op when it comes to rolls, it just needs to cost more." I can't make heads or tails of this sentence. It's a contradiction. If lb is not op when it comes to rolls then why on earth does it need to cost more?

You realize that very strong units should cost significantly more? I Infantry could potentially attack stronger than IF tanks and SM bombers, shouldn't it cost a little more +10 for all units? I mean honestly the rolls aren't that much greater as LB. sometimes you even get no good crits at all. The roll aspect seems fine as it's called lucky bastard and it has everything to do with luck. Sometimes you get unlucky too. Making it cost more would prevent overuse in clan war if that's really what you want.

Γραμμένο από Lion Sin Escanor, 23.05.2018 at 13:31

Γραμμένο από Wheelo, 23.05.2018 at 09:51

Γραμμένο από ITSGG1122, 23.05.2018 at 09:48

LB is for nubs who cant play IMP

Thank you lordsanik for your contribution.

who cares what nub lordsanik thinks

i care. nerf lb.

LMAO im being called abuser by competetive noobs haahahhahaha

Γραμμένο από Permamuted, 22.05.2018 at 23:12

Γραμμένο από PleaseMe, 22.05.2018 at 21:47

Sorry we play more games than you. If you actively played you'd most likely have it on your profile too. Logic is sound. Don't say "I play cws". You don't play enough games for it to change your preferred strategies because you've already played so many previous games.

LB is not OP when it comes to rolls, it just needs to cost more. Think we've gone over this and seems a lot of other people agree.

Nice getting defensive and then proceeding to admonish me for a response i never would've given. I know lb would enter my top 3 if i played more. I dueled quite a bit last season and remained over 1600 elo. Currently ds lb gw and imp are my most played. They are top of the meta at the moment and cover almost all maps, niches and settings. If you're not using them youre not going to succeed in the competitive scene right now.

People like sirivann and himmel have it in their top 3 as theyre scenario players. If you've half a brain and you play scenarios then pd imp blitz lb and maybe ironfist should be in your top 3. LB must be the reigning king of scenario strats at the moment.

"LB is not op when it comes to rolls, it just needs to cost more." I can't make heads or tails of this sentence. It's a contradiction. If lb is not op when it comes to rolls then why on earth does it need to cost more? Are you arguing with me just for the sake of it?

I don't care that lb is in your top 3. Just stop lying and throwing insults around and try for some objectivity.

Being called a shameless abuser by someone who says he uses LB alot and also DS outa all fucking strats in his competetive games ROFL , Typical of competetive fucks hahahaha , only reason i got LB showing their is cuz i can use it on niftys map with 100000000000000 income , try using lb on most scenarios and see how fucking op it is when u get raped xD

Γραμμένο από sirivann, 23.05.2018 at 22:43

Being called a shameless abuser by someone who says he uses LB alot and also DS outa all fucking strats in his competetive games ROFL , Typical of competetive fucks hahahaha , only reason i got LB showing their is cuz i can use it on niftys map with 100000000000000 income , try using lb on most scenarios and see how fucking op it is when u get raped xD

Or your team get raped,if it was kind enough to fund you

Γραμμένο από sirivann, 23.05.2018 at 22:43

Being called a shameless abuser by someone who says he uses LB alot and also DS outa all fucking strats in his competetive games ROFL , Typical of competetive fucks hahahaha , only reason i got LB showing their is cuz i can use it on niftys map with 100000000000000 income , try using lb on most scenarios and see how fucking op it is when u get raped xD

1- there's difference between someone admitting that something is not fair at all and someone saying there's nothing wrong with those very stuffs which explains why you are a shameless abuser and he isnt(it also says you are retarded or hypocrite or both)
2- WW2 tanks have 9-15 hp and costs 250-800 and bomber has 16 damage 360 cost 10 critical getting +10 for their cost for a +12% chance critical will worth it for uk(doesnt have to mass spam and already has big stack at start few powerful tanks and 110 costing marines will do the job)/usa(doesnt have to spam inf can totally focus on spamming expensive units and there are many fortress cities that can be killed by 1bomber/battleship)/germany or the "funded" soviet south, as a side effect first thing germany will have to do is sending 1 bomber every turn to attack any city that has fortress and hope for a critical its 22% chance and once the critical happens it will be 16+8=24 damage fortress has 100 defense 10 hp so rip 2 fortress therefore you wont lose 20-50 tank while you take leningrad for example and already benefited the same thing will apply to moscow and its defense lines
considering aw rolls are random then the battle may take longer phase for the critical chance to turn the tides of battles especially +9 damage units Totally getting raped picking LB.. too much xD and looool and ROFL for a retarded person