Strategies Discussion 2015.

Γραμμένο από Permamuted, 26.04.2015 at 07:52

Youve a lot to learn soldier, time to go learn how the other strats are played. that goes for the rest of the blitz lovers. If encoutering pd everywhere bothers you, stop playing west europe.

Γραμμένο από Permamuted, 26.04.2015 at 07:52

Youve a lot to learn soldier, time to go learn how the other strats are played. that goes for the rest of the blitz lovers. If encoutering pd everywhere bothers you, stop playing west europe.

Γραμμένο από Guest, 26.04.2015 at 07:49

blitz and pd are like rivals, if one is nerfed than other should be nerfed as well, no need to talking about other's skills, it's not fair to make blitzkrieg unplayable just bcuz some players think it's op, why should be whole strategy be ruined because of one's desire ?

Γραμμένο από Goblin, 26.04.2015 at 08:04

Γραμμένο από Guest, 26.04.2015 at 07:49

blitz and pd are like rivals, if one is nerfed than other should be nerfed as well, no need to talking about other's skills, it's not fair to make blitzkrieg unplayable just bcuz some players think it's op, why should be whole strategy be ruined because of one's desire ?

Blitz and PD are rivals? ... ... ... *facepalm*
Blitz suddenly unplayable and ruined? ...that's fucking hilarious considering many played it at -2 on everything.

Γραμμένο από Guest, 26.04.2015 at 07:54

Γραμμένο από Permamuted, 26.04.2015 at 07:52

Youve a lot to learn soldier, time to go learn how the other strats are played. that goes for the rest of the blitz lovers. If encoutering pd everywhere bothers you, stop playing west europe.

lol, pd is my 2nd favourite strategy bro... so will you bring some arguments why blitz got nerfed ? or will you tell us *pffft gtfo and learn other pro strategies* ?

Γραμμένο από Guest, 25.04.2015 at 14:24

Γραμμένο από Permamuted, 25.04.2015 at 14:10

Im going to make one response to these threads and i am going to summarise the reasons for the nerf.

- blitz was originally at -2 def to all units and was still very popular, i even had it as my number 1 strat up to r8, it is very versatile and easy to play. It was changed to -1(a significant boost) without considering all the implications.

- blitz is probably the easiest strat to play with the lowest skill requirement of all the strats. Rangeskills and economisation are less important because of the huge range, players can expand fast and need to use fewer transports. It is strongest at early aggression and killing/crippling your opponent asap. The result was a skill drop evident in the newer generations of players where many just load their troops into your expansion and hope for the best. This is terrible for gameplay and not something we should be encouraging by making it so powerful.

- while blitz was originally intended to be an offensive strat(like it was historically) it suddenly became powerful defensively, the general upgrades more than substituing the loss in stats and the huge range of the militia and inf meant more could be brought to defend than any other strat. Suddenly we had a strat that was very powerful in early game agression and defense. It even became powerful in some lategame situations as we saw within the ukr vs turk dynamic. The snowballing power was unmatched.

id also like to note that you cant compare the stats of units between strats and scream that one is op. Many players significantly underestimate the value of range. In games positioning and speed are hugely important, blitz is king in this area, superior to even sm which is limited by costs. While there is an argument for a pd nerf, pd has half the range and has a higher skill requirement.

The arguments not to nerf blitz in the other thread were terrible. Ivan evidently agreed. theyre even worse here and notably being made and supported by players with blitz as their top strat(if not in the top3).

Also the blitz nerf does not affect its' turn 1 expansion stealing capabilities, nor have its' range or offensive capabilities been altered. The strat still has its' niche. Personally if i had my way the strat wouldve been nerfed harder, but this is what it is.

-blitz nerf DOES affect turn 1 expansion, you said that blitz is used to fuck up other's expansion that means you are stealing other's lands turn 1 that means you both take same cities, and we both know that defence also matters if both stack-s attack single city
-my arguments aren't bad, and you are talking about realism of gameplay since you many to believe my own words i will ss everything

you saw with your eyes, if you want blitzkrieg to be realistic you have to give blitz range, buff tanks attack and also buff bomber's attack, and also you have to give it +1 defence for infantry since armour rushes enemy, and than motorized and infantry regiments hold already conquered territories, you want realism, than +1 attack for tanks +1 attack for bobmers +1 defence for infantry, seems op as fuck. real life is never balanced, we are playing online game we want things balanced and fair, so we don't want op pd pwn everything and can be defeated only by pd. we want blitz in it's former state and/or nerfing pd
-you said taht it was at -2 defence, well it clearly was sucking hard since it got buffed, it's like returning to old tb system where you can't move your gen stack for whole game...
-as you said blitz is good in surprise attacks (1st three turns) can be avoided easily by pd, and if IT even suceeds and somehow blitz player caps you, you can still retake thx to good income, low price, and op bad defence for blitz, how is that fair for blitz players bro ?

btw i am looking forward for discussion to anyone so don't feel shy i will respond

Γραμμένο από Permamuted, 26.04.2015 at 07:52

Youve a lot to learn soldier, time to go learn how the other strats are played. that goes for the rest of the blitz lovers. If encoutering pd everywhere bothers you, stop playing west europe.

Γραμμένο από Croat, 26.04.2015 at 08:10

Γραμμένο από Permamuted, 26.04.2015 at 07:52

Youve a lot to learn soldier, time to go learn how the other strats are played. that goes for the rest of the blitz lovers. If encoutering pd everywhere bothers you, stop playing west europe.

If someone plays mostly Blitzkrieg as Ukraine - he has to learn a lot or go learn new strats.
But those who are sticked to PD Turkey like me on pornhub are 'pros' of this game.
How arrogantly said to Soldier. Even ironically.

You are just clearing thorns of Blitzkrig Ukr from the way so your PD can continue to be untouched. Also, blitz is only strat that can resist nicely to Turk PD.
Those are always great battles, but seems you dont want equal strenghts.
That is only truth about all this fame with nerfs and boosts.

Story about strong Blitz with Italy or something else like Poland or Austria (if we talk about EU) is bullshit and paravane so it can be nerfed more easily.
As long as you are obligating for nerfing blitz just because one country (even you wont admit that ever), I will do same, but contra.

Γραμμένο από Permamuted, 26.04.2015 at 08:08

Overpowered rush gameplay is bad for atwar.

Γραμμένο από clovis1122, 26.04.2015 at 08:16

Croat post upvotes: 22.
This post: 13.

but heyyy, I hear admins takes Upvotes as indicators . Where is your "majority" ? WHERE IS?

Well done admins!.

P.D: wtf now is -1 to infantries.... you guys are such a bad loosers but at least this is not worsen than the militias boost....

Γραμμένο από Permamuted, 26.04.2015 at 08:18

Γραμμένο από Croat, 26.04.2015 at 08:10

Γραμμένο από Permamuted, 26.04.2015 at 07:52

Youve a lot to learn soldier, time to go learn how the other strats are played. that goes for the rest of the blitz lovers. If encoutering pd everywhere bothers you, stop playing west europe.

If someone plays mostly Blitzkrieg as Ukraine - he has to learn a lot or go learn new strats.
But those who are sticked to PD Turkey like me on pornhub are 'pros' of this game.
How arrogantly said to Soldier. Even ironically.

You are just clearing thorns of Blitzkrig Ukr from the way so your PD can continue to be untouched. Also, blitz is only strat that can resist nicely to Turk PD.
Those are always great battles, but seems you dont want equal strenghts.
That is only truth about all this fame with nerfs and boosts.

Story about strong Blitz with Italy or something else like Poland or Austria (if we talk about EU) is bullshit and paravane so it can be nerfed more easily.
As long as you are obligating for nerfing blitz just because one country (even you wont admit that ever), I will do same, but contra.

lol i dont even play pd turk in 1v1s. ever.....

Γραμμένο από Goblin, 26.04.2015 at 08:31

Oh give me a fucking break ...Ivan changed back militia to -1 after Pavle send him a cry message ...Pavle?!

Fuck the majority in AW when the majority of AW players are biased, subjective, illogical, irrational babies with the strongest "argument" always being ...WE ARE THE MAJORITY!!!

lol

Γραμμένο από Croat, 26.04.2015 at 08:27

Γραμμένο από Permamuted, 26.04.2015 at 08:18

Γραμμένο από Croat, 26.04.2015 at 08:10

Γραμμένο από Permamuted, 26.04.2015 at 07:52

Youve a lot to learn soldier, time to go learn how the other strats are played. that goes for the rest of the blitz lovers. If encoutering pd everywhere bothers you, stop playing west europe.

If someone plays mostly Blitzkrieg as Ukraine - he has to learn a lot or go learn new strats.
But those who are sticked to PD Turkey like me on pornhub are 'pros' of this game.
How arrogantly said to Soldier. Even ironically.

You are just clearing thorns of Blitzkrig Ukr from the way so your PD can continue to be untouched. Also, blitz is only strat that can resist nicely to Turk PD.
Those are always great battles, but seems you dont want equal strenghts.
That is only truth about all this fame with nerfs and boosts.

Story about strong Blitz with Italy or something else like Poland or Austria (if we talk about EU) is bullshit and paravane so it can be nerfed more easily.
As long as you are obligating for nerfing blitz just because one country (even you wont admit that ever), I will do same, but contra.

lol i dont even play pd turk in 1v1s. ever.....

U know I am pointing on that clan war u lost because blitz ukr and it all started than,,

Γραμμένο από Permamuted, 26.04.2015 at 08:33

Γραμμένο από Croat, 26.04.2015 at 08:27

Γραμμένο από Permamuted, 26.04.2015 at 08:18

Γραμμένο από Croat, 26.04.2015 at 08:10

Γραμμένο από Permamuted, 26.04.2015 at 07:52

Youve a lot to learn soldier, time to go learn how the other strats are played. that goes for the rest of the blitz lovers. If encoutering pd everywhere bothers you, stop playing west europe.

If someone plays mostly Blitzkrieg as Ukraine - he has to learn a lot or go learn new strats.
But those who are sticked to PD Turkey like me on pornhub are 'pros' of this game.
How arrogantly said to Soldier. Even ironically.

You are just clearing thorns of Blitzkrig Ukr from the way so your PD can continue to be untouched. Also, blitz is only strat that can resist nicely to Turk PD.
Those are always great battles, but seems you dont want equal strenghts.
That is only truth about all this fame with nerfs and boosts.

Story about strong Blitz with Italy or something else like Poland or Austria (if we talk about EU) is bullshit and paravane so it can be nerfed more easily.
As long as you are obligating for nerfing blitz just because one country (even you wont admit that ever), I will do same, but contra.

lol i dont even play pd turk in 1v1s. ever.....

U know I am pointing on that clan war u lost because blitz ukr and it all started than,,

blitz horrible in clanwars too, all it takes is a well funded turk and youll get slaughtered. The nerf was never only about blitz ukraine, thats just some bandwagon all the blitz lovers are jumping on as the real reasons are beyond their comprehension.

Anyway ive said all ive to say on this matter, again none of my arguments have been refuted. Instead ive just been told im trying to protect my op pd turk and that we should apparently bow on matters of game mechanics to the whims of the uninformed inexperienced masses.

and all you guys wonder why youre not being taken seriously.

Γραμμένο από Croat, 26.04.2015 at 08:32

Ironically, that was major reason for nerfing Blitz

Γραμμένο από Goblin, 26.04.2015 at 08:41

Γραμμένο από Croat, 26.04.2015 at 08:32

Ironically, that was major reason for nerfing Blitz

I'l give you a reason...

Eagles Germany PD vs Me Spain blitz:
• eagles knows my first turn moves since spectated my games
• does the preventing moves according to it, destroys most of my armies turn 1
• i win the game like i'm a fucking zerg in starcraft

Γραμμένο από Goblin, 26.04.2015 at 08:41

Γραμμένο από Croat, 26.04.2015 at 08:32

Ironically, that was major reason for nerfing Blitz

I'l give you a reason...

Eagles Germany PD vs Me Spain blitz:
• eagles knows my first turn moves since spectated my games
• does the preventing moves according to it, destroys most of my armies turn 1
• i win the game like i'm a fucking zerg in starcraft

Γραμμένο από Guest, 26.04.2015 at 08:49

eagles is only 1 single player, he doesn't prioritize moves and doesn't tb, play against clovis or eagle or anyone else, and if they know your expansion than gg, you lost 10/10 and nice saying that blitz is op because you won 1 single game against eagles pd in 2 MINS Duels (i can't fucking play 2 min duels at all with blitz it's hard and with pd it will be even harder) try 4 min duel with same settings, and it will be lot harder, since pd will have much time to response.

Γραμμένο από Croat, 26.04.2015 at 08:50

How can he destroy most of your spain units as germany pd in turn , wtf?
Even he destroyed some, he cannot destroy most of them.
He may kill some od your units if you rushed austria, but almost all of them - NO

Γραμμένο από Goblin, 26.04.2015 at 09:06

Γραμμένο από Guest, 26.04.2015 at 08:49

eagles is only 1 single player, he doesn't prioritize moves and doesn't tb, play against clovis or eagle or anyone else, and if they know your expansion than gg, you lost 10/10 and nice saying that blitz is op because you won 1 single game against eagles pd in 2 MINS Duels (i can't fucking play 2 min duels at all with blitz it's hard and with pd it will be even harder) try 4 min duel with same settings, and it will be lot harder, since pd will have much time to response.

This was 1 example out of hundreds when i won with blitz based only on raw strength.

Maybe you start playing 2 minutes so you wont be bitching about PD anymore.

Σημείωση:

Γραμμένο από Guest, 26.04.2015 at 09:10

This was 1 example out of hundreds when i won with blitz based only on raw strength.

Maybe you start playing 2 minutes so you wont be bitching about PD anymore.

pd my 2nd favourite strat and i know that it's most op strategy on aw

Γραμμένο από Goblin, 26.04.2015 at 09:06

Γραμμένο από Guest, 26.04.2015 at 08:49

eagles is only 1 single player, he doesn't prioritize moves and doesn't tb, play against clovis or eagle or anyone else, and if they know your expansion than gg, you lost 10/10 and nice saying that blitz is op because you won 1 single game against eagles pd in 2 MINS Duels (i can't fucking play 2 min duels at all with blitz it's hard and with pd it will be even harder) try 4 min duel with same settings, and it will be lot harder, since pd will have much time to response.

This was 1 example out of hundreds when i won with blitz based only on raw strenght

Σημείωση:

Γραμμένο από Goblin, 26.04.2015 at 09:15

Γραμμένο από Guest, 26.04.2015 at 09:10

This was 1 example out of hundreds when i won with blitz based only on raw strength.

Maybe you start playing 2 minutes so you wont be bitching about PD anymore.

pd my 2nd favourite strat and i know that it's most op strategy on aw

Look at my post above ...then look at your response.

Classic AW forum "debating" methods ...quoted text has zero or almost no direct relation with the answer.

Γραμμένο από Guest, 26.04.2015 at 09:18

"Maybe you start playing 2 minutes so you wont be bitching about PD anymore."
what do you mean start playing what ? pd ? pd is my 2nd favourite strategy, as i answered u before
or play what blitz ? i have tested it with el crey, and it's defensive capabilities is too weak.
make yourself clear, what answers you are waiting for

Γραμμένο από Croat, 26.04.2015 at 09:17

Good facts. Let me say one similiar as yours: There are hundred examples when I won as PD against blitz even they killed most of my units.
Pointless

Γραμμένο από Goblin, 26.04.2015 at 09:21

Γραμμένο από Guest, 26.04.2015 at 09:18

"Maybe you start playing 2 minutes so you wont be bitching about PD anymore."
what do you mean start playing what ? pd ? pd is my 2nd favourite strategy, as i answered u before
or play what blitz ? i have tested it with el crey, and it's defensive capabilities is too weak.
make yourself clear, what answers you are waiting for

What? ...what didn't you understand in the sentence "start playing 2 fucking minutes".

This makes you look stupid you know.

Γραμμένο από Guest, 26.04.2015 at 09:24

is that all you can ? just to call another players stupid instead of talking for real, you should start playing 4 minutes because 99% plays it, and blitz fucking sucks in 4 mins, as i said in above post.

Γραμμένο από Goblin, 26.04.2015 at 09:23

Γραμμένο από Croat, 26.04.2015 at 09:17

Good facts. Let me say one similiar as yours: There are hundred examples when I won as PD against blitz even they killed most of my units.
Pointless

Read again ...because obviously you people either can't read or you like to take out some words out of sentences to create a different context.

I wrote i won with blitz based on RAW STRENGTH ...that means not thinking tactically at all, just rushing, jumping from city to city.

Obviously i doubt you have done the same using PD, so your comparison is ...pointless.

Γραμμένο από Goblin, 26.04.2015 at 09:30

Γραμμένο από Guest, 26.04.2015 at 09:24

is that all you can ? just to call another players stupid instead of talking for real, you should start playing 4 minutes because 99% plays it, and blitz fucking sucks in 4 mins, as i said in above post.

OH YEA BABY ....this is what i waited for. Another classic AW debate method ...answer with stupid questions, don't respond to other speakers argument then wait for the moment he uses words like "stupid" "dumb"

YEA!!!!!! ....now you can finally have an argument "he called us stupid and doesnt wanna talk normally"

Never the fuck mind Blitz is still as usable as it was since no one should be dumb enough to defend cities with blitz at all and no real harm was done to the strategy ...but lets fucking cry because we cant play it on all maps in every damn setting and use it as a defense strategy.

Maybe you guys would like a PD-blitz mutant strategy ...would that be great for you?